socialism is too fuzzy, where do you draw the line?

as to what we should be fighting against, socialism is the line, communism is just even worse socialism

Define the lower bound of is/isnot socialism please

the state ownership of the means of production

i guess lower being Sanders

That's classical marxism and a core feature of straight communism, try again

that's your definition. i've asked many socialists what socialism is and they all give me different answers because muh "it wasn't real socialism"

I think your idea of socialists is actually commies and your idea of commies is stalinism

there is massive overlap between socialism and communism

I run on textbook definitions and more tranditional academic delineations

>Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim to establish them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[12] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

What you're saying is "communism and stalinism" which do heavily overlap

that text book definition is still agreeing with what i said

Unions are socialist

Medicare is socialist

yeah

State planning is communist

Are we to kill an unionists?

Kill modern unions and let the traditional shop by shop unions return, I would say, these corporate amalgamated unions are trash

I'd rather avoid killing altogether honestly.

you think communist is strictly state planned, yet anarcho communists would disagree

Anarcho-Communism is a pipe dream.

Benz, social ownership does not necessarily include the state unless you ascribe to the ConAnaCom interpretation of the American Republic

i didn't say there was anything sane about anarcho-communism

i know that, families are socialistic by nature

i guess i could clear it up by specifically being against political socialists in this case

So you clearly disagree with your own method of interp- ah, but i still think you're mistakenly shuffling terms

socialists can go be voluntarily socialists for all i care, it'll just crumble anyway, but when they try to take my money into it is when they need to fuck off

Agreed

i meant political socialists from the beginning but i didn't communicate that well

because i was talking about nazism

Representation has become too dilute not to reconsider voluntary line item taxation

...you wot, m8

*natsoc out of left field*

Gtg

natsoc out of left field?

that was the original question

U natsoc?

me? no

Okay

i was just arguing against it

We're generally more libertarian, but Natsocs do come here

i'm reallly really right wing

but i'm not natsoc

@Chancellor @Iamawesom game's gonna go slow because iamawesome can't keep up

She bit her lip seductively, unfortunately it was her upper lip so she looked like a piranha.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-17/dhs-insider-warns-its-spy-versus-spy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lImHh7fqrQo

he was right about the guy on the end being stupid

well, all of them, but in particular that one

Milo and Mahr!? FUCKYES

osnap

Good afternoon guys.

I'd rather take the USRR and EU one.

It's morea accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDLflyQ8TA

I was expecting a war

Ohboy here we go

the fucking black guy in this one though

Milo: I'd rather take Russian spies over the Saudis

Black Guy: Are you an American?

Milo: No

Black Guy: Then Fuck off

I fucking hate Wilmore

Antifa is in /ptg/

The fuck is a ptg

Oh, Pres Trump gen

Wow, what a shit post

I am routinely disappointed by antifa shills

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God, I wish that was me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9YnDirqwT4

>Meanwhile in Russian ANTICOM

Top kek

LOL

I am hyped for ANTIFA

Takei deleted his twitter poll just as it was about to hit 50/50

nice

Damn

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

FUCKING KEK

https://twitter.com/antifa_selfcare/status/832960018332925953

**It's time**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUDapZvfu9M

**COMMIES SPOTTED**

Antifa spotted

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Get into voice chat

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for chats and shit

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