Message from @Benzmiller
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Straight up white right should hide their power level if they expect solidarity with any if us.
Socialism is fuzzy idealistic communism without the hard authoritarian controls up top, it's plug-n-play communism modules
Some of it is tolerable but later stages of installation have unacceptable features and glitches
none of it is tolerable
you amuse me, child
socialists should get the chopping block right along with the commies
socialism is too fuzzy, where do you draw the line?
as to what we should be fighting against, socialism is the line, communism is just even worse socialism
Define the lower bound of is/isnot socialism please
the state ownership of the means of production
i guess lower being Sanders
That's classical marxism and a core feature of straight communism, try again
that's your definition. i've asked many socialists what socialism is and they all give me different answers because muh "it wasn't real socialism"
I think your idea of socialists is actually commies and your idea of commies is stalinism
there is massive overlap between socialism and communism
I run on textbook definitions and more tranditional academic delineations
>Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim to establish them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[12] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]
What you're saying is "communism and stalinism" which do heavily overlap
Unions are socialist
Medicare is socialist
yeah
State planning is communist
Are we to kill an unionists?
Kill modern unions and let the traditional shop by shop unions return, I would say, these corporate amalgamated unions are trash
I'd rather avoid killing altogether honestly.
you think communist is strictly state planned, yet anarcho communists would disagree
Anarcho-Communism is a pipe dream.
Benz, social ownership does not necessarily include the state unless you ascribe to the ConAnaCom interpretation of the American Republic
i didn't say there was anything sane about anarcho-communism
i know that, families are socialistic by nature
i guess i could clear it up by specifically being against political socialists in this case
So you clearly disagree with your own method of interp- ah, but i still think you're mistakenly shuffling terms
socialists can go be voluntarily socialists for all i care, it'll just crumble anyway, but when they try to take my money into it is when they need to fuck off
Agreed
i meant political socialists from the beginning but i didn't communicate that well
because i was talking about nazism
Representation has become too dilute not to reconsider voluntary line item taxation
...you wot, m8