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I think it's much more than that.
So, what did I miss?
Well, Trump's hated in NOVA
because local elections aren't reflective of the president very often.
and that was enough
But NOVA isn't where all the seats were flipped
yes they were
every single one?
most of them
No Trump overperfomed in many distrcits int he bottom right and left of the state
Did I miss some apocalyptic stuff again?
Compared to how republcians reformed in their state elections
@๐Boo-ton๐ There's like several counties, bottom right and left
take a look
@GermanEastAfrica Zak here thinks that Virginia wasnโt a blue state, even though they literally elected Terry McAullife, one of the high ranks in Hillary Clintonโs campaign as governor years ago
Clinton Republican
that makes no sense
It's a purple state, technically
They voted for Clitnon and a republican
Int he state election
that probably won't last much longer tho
i thought it'd be the other way around
I don't believe that graph
It's true.
it would be they voted Trump and then Democrat in the state election
k hang on
@zakattack04 Look at this disaster
See the bottom right
Blue went darker blue
And red went lighter
trump out performed against the generic republican in the state
So i think it's less about trump and move about an actual Democratic grassroots support
Trump did better than Gillespie because Hillary was on the ballot
BASED Mullahs
I hate Iran as much as I hate Israel
Mostly because of the 1979 revolution
I hate everyone
"Trump did better than Gillespie because Hillary was on the ballot"
prove it
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@Deleted User Northam wasn't that liberal
@Deleted User That statement is true for Rust Belt states
Like Wisconsin
But I dunno about vA
He said that he oppose santuary cities
he lied :)
He was of course liying but still
LOL
yeah I know
Ya'll got beaned
At least Virginians
anyway, it's obvious that Trump generates the kind of turnout that someone like Gillespie (or Button Mash) can't get
Northam is the most progressive Virginia can really get
@Deleted User ooof
I liked that xD
Virginia is still a somewhat sane state
Its because Trump ran as a Populist not a Conservative
They aren't going to elect Jerry Brown's twin brother
Kevin de de de leon
He took relatively moderate stances on Economic issues and focused on culteral issues
If Gillespie talked about taxes more
@Walter Johnson Ben Shapiro did a whole segment on how trump isn't a populist a while back
He might have won over NoVA votes
"populism isn't an ideology, it's a strategy"
By populist I mean Right on cultural isses, and moderate on economic issues
Like George Wallace or Huey long
Huey long was like
Far left on economics
Maybe by 1930s standards
yeah or Hitler
I thought he advocated for a UBI
Huey Long
Hitler, Trump and Obama. All Leftist Authoritarians. <:trueconservative:423311896356061186>
not sure
I like him though
Hitler was actually more right wing on economics than people think.
At least than other "socialists"
You like Huey Long?
My favourite politician is an outright socialist
Democratic Socialism = National Socialism <:trueconservative:423311896356061186>
Yeah, regardless of his economic stances, the way he campaigned is the sort of feeling we must capture, he was a real dude, you know.
"Nazis are Leftists"
The GOP just need to make it clear that they won't cut funding for Social Security, Medicare, and Education
"They say they don't like my methods. Well, I don't like them either. I really don't like to have to do things the way I do. I'd much rather get up before the legislature and say, 'Now this is a good law and it's for the benefit of the people, and I'd like you to vote for it in the interest of the public welfare.' Only I know that laws ain't made that way. You've got to fight fire with fire."
-Huey Long
Ok fair I'll give you that Flanon
You like him for his methods, not his ideology
The problem is you keep having retards like Paul Ryan who want to do that
but we should cut funding for those things >.>
"I used to get things done by saying please. Now I dynamite 'em out of my path."
-Huey Long
especially the DOE
Honestly we should just try to sideline the hardcore fiscal conservatives
It doesn't do anything
Well say goodbye to the House Freedom Caucus then @Deleted User
The ones who just fuck us over by just being a caricature of the greedy Republican who just wants to take away old peoples pensions
At least don't cut funding for k-12 education
"A mob is coming here in six months to hang the other ninety-five of you damned scoundrels, and I'm undecided whether to stick here with you or go out and lead them."
-Huey Long giving a speech on the Senate floor
@Deleted User @zakattack04 Republican Factions by region
But that's the states job and always have been. The Department of education is like fucking useless
like they did in Kansas
The libertarian wing does nothing for us
Well
Rather Libertarian vote for us then vote 3rd party
Ima eat
If we have to choose between the working class voters
and the libertarian lot
I know which one i'd go for
Divides among the Republican factions
@zakattack04 Most people don't know jackshit what the DOE does and when they hear Republicans want to get rid off it and cut their funds they think it will hurt their local schools
I know, but we should inform people mroe
because it won't effect local schools
Most people are dumb and that doesn't change
It's not particularly productive to talk about politics at the national level,
let's be a little bit more specific here on where we're talking about
Let's talk about WV for a bit, I feel this is central location at them moment,
I suspect Blankenship's surge is based on a continued resentment against everyday Washington politics
When Republican leadership attempts to thwart them, it only betters his odds
Well, what is there to say?
I have no clue what'll happen if we get this psychopath in, but who knows if that'll happen?
What I think the GOP should do is keep their heads out of elections
It's amazing how they haven't noticed the correlation
Yes, only start funding when it reaches general
Yeah any other state I would say he would lose, but this is WV so idk
Whenever they try to dictate who should be the nominee, there is a strong backlash from the base
Hell, even then there's not much good that happens, with the "Nancy Had a Little Lamb" nonsense
There definitely needs to be an apparatus that isn't linked to the party but still endorses certain candidates
Butt ocasionally you get guys like Todd Aiken or Roy Moore who blow a easily winnable race
I think we'd probably need an organization that vets their people properly
But isn't a detached washington establishment
We just gotta hope Trump shoots down Blankenship in a tweet before the election and calls him a murderer or something.
If Blankenship wins and Trump didn't endorse Jenkins beforehand,
the blame goes on Trump
This is a state where Trump's influence can work
of course
I don't even know what I'd say if Blankenship won, he'd be worse than Moore
a total trainwreck
or should I say:
a drumpfwreck
He talks with a monotone dead voice, and the allegations against him are actually credible
"swamp captain mitch mcconnell has created millions of jobs for chinapeople, while doing so, mitch has gotten rich. in fact his china family has given him tens of millions of dollars. mitch's swamp people are now running false, negative ads against me. they're also childishly calling me despicable and mentally ill. the war to drain the swamp, and create jobs for west virginia people has begun. i will beat joe manchin and ditch cocaine mitch, for the sake of the kids."
-Next Senator from West Virginia
for comparison
fixed
Goodnight friends
+2 for the Republicans due to the two Republicans running.
so R+2 from their vote in 2016.
@[Lex] Lol RIP /ourguy/ is almost 10 points behind
yep.
oh well.
:)
Trump just tweeted about Don Blakenship
Would've been better if he endorsed one candidate and stood behind him, but this is much better than nothing.
Trump comes out against Blankenship in West Virginia Senate race, says he โcanโt winโ
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/07/trump-comes-out-against-blankenship-in-west-virginia-senate-race-says-can-t-win.html
@FLanon What a relief
wtf
Don Blankenship: The President is a very busy man and he doesnโt know me and he doesnโt know how flawed my two main opponents are in this primary..I will win the primary and I will beat Joe Manchin
lol idiot
Oh go away, Flake
Two internal polls:
Jenkins Camp:
Blankenship 31
Jenkins 28
Morrissey 27
Morrissey Camp:
Blankenship 28
Morrissey 27
Jenkins 14
>Blankenship is actually leading
West Virginia...
An endorsement from Jeff Flake to either Jenkins or Morrisey would probably help Blankenship.
Of course, I don't assume those polls were taken after the tweet
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We're done lol
Our own voters are sinking us...
@๐Boo-ton๐ think Trump can turn this around? Even though he shouldn't have to lol
one of the biggest issues that ive been hearing on some of the campaigns I'm on is that trump voters are saying "well i voted for the big one, the presidency, now I'm done
@Deleted User you've been hearing them say that ?
yes
I've heard that too
where are you talking with them
conference call i was on a week or two ago the Campaign manager
It's pretty common among Trump supporters in /pig/
wait, so are you hearing it directly from them, or from people saying it
said that the struggle is that the dems and libs are mobilized
yes
/ptg/*
yes i heard those words out of the mouth of the campaign manager who manages our team
so like let's say hilldawg was elected
we would probably be roaring and angry and ready to go
Yes kween
that's the dems
wow, so you''re working on a House campaign I'm guessing ?
no
@๐Boo-ton๐ wut?
Messing around,
lel
But I can confirm what you said from anecdotal accounts
ok
you on a campaign?
I'm pretty low on the ladder I'm jsut makign calls rn until I get back to my home city
Hi pretty low on the ladder I'm jsut makign calls rn until I get back to my home city, I'm Dad!
No, so far I've stuck to donations and providing data to some campaign teams that I have a stake in
Hi, I'm Dad!
It does work!
Like Kobach's bid for governor of Kansas
@๐Boo-ton๐ cool
2:00 tommorrow, announcement on Iran Deal
what type of data?
Like voting groups, what we need to win etc et
Wow this isn't sounding good lol
oof oof iran bouta get their spaghets touched
@Deleted User Precinct/County Level Data, typically. To display electoral trends and voting habits of the population.
interesting. aare you involved in politics as a job?
No, I just have a political agenda I want to see pushed forward
ok
thoughts on the Iran deal, folks?
Well
Iran was the origin of the "suicide bomber" meme
I think the cultural power of Iran among the Islamic community is clear
While they are Shia, and most terrorists nowadays are Sunni, they still hold vast influence in the region
I think Saudi Arabia and Israel are only not collapsing because of US support
If Islam is going to reform and modernize, it will have to come from a grass roots Movement out of Iran or maybe Turkey.
It won't come from Northern Africa or the Arabian Peninsula or the Levant. Just not possible.
I think a warming of political ties with Russia and Iran is just common sense
And the Intermarium should be its own 3rd party political force of Eastern Europe, separate from EU or Russia
(I.e. Poland Ukraine etc)
It's possible that parts of Ukraine including Crimea will remain a part of the Russian sphere.
But there were many ethnic Russians in those areas.
A true Intermarium will be able to act as a force against both Western Europe and Russia
And without the US as an enemy, Iran's more radical elements will lose favor
Hungary, Poland, these should be the new close allies of the USA
I agree.
As the cultural war is basically all that is left between us and some totalitarian 1984 shit. (Aka invasive communism where children report on their parents to the secret police)
The UK can't be a good ally as long as they keep doing literally everything anti-American they can to appease the Remain crowd.
But the Visegrad Group is definitely an American ally
Same for Austria et al
Yea, Austria has shown a lot of promise. Even with the Green Party election, they used their military long before that to secure their border while Germany was still letting people in
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@Nuke Theresa May has done a horrible job with fulfilling the Brexit mandate
So much so that people don't even talk about Brexit anymore
It's as if Brussels won when Theresa May was put forward as the new Prime Minister
Germany and Belgium are the worst offenders from a policial perspective
Followed by U.K. And Sweden
UK govt has shown itself incapable of fulfilling the will of the people
It's strongest Brexit supporters were needed as leadership and instead they placed an anti-Brexit May in charge
Historically "Bad" actors like Turkey, Iran, and Russia shouldn't be on the receiving end of political deals per se, no of course not. That is reserved for actual friends. But they should be allowed financial freedoms.
Meanwhile Germany and Belgium should be hit with economic sanctions until they l Ave the EU (sanctions imposed by non EU members)
Until they leave the EU
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