Message from @[Ex-Mitch] 21.2.19
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But I know a worse god.
Which one?
allah is the same god... lel
yeaaaaaaah
Wrong.
jewdism, christianity, and islam have the same god mitch
Not at all.
They are all different.
yup, they all worship the same god
Atheists tend to think they are all the same, which is ignorant thinking.
So, what is the difference?
🤔
The better question is what *is* the differences.
Mitch is like " duh.. Batman and Bruce Wayne is not the same guy... "
But at the end of the day... Batman and his god is just a made up comic hero
And a bad one in the case of god
That's not what I am saying at all.
Prove to me that they are the same god.
This is religious debate.
Smh.
section 3
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Also yeah Islam, Jewdism and Christianity have the same God, it goes old testament -> new testament -> Qur'an
Where they all go, "yeah God's chosen dude? Not that guy it's this guy" and everyone was completely okay with it and nothing bad ever happened because of it
@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS I'm not a religious person, but I can already tell that you know very little about the Abrahamic faiths. In Judaism, they only believe in the first-five books of the Old Testament, which they call the; "Torah" and they believe in only YHWH god deity, which I would consider to be the Demiurge=El Saturn himself. In Islam, they also believe in only 1 god, however, Allah is not truly personal, knowable, or approachable. The Qur’an depicts him more judgmental than gracious. He exists as a singular unity who has no *partners.* In fact, to call Jesus the Son of God is to commit the unpardonable sin, or shirk. Of the 99 names for God in the Qur’an, Father is not one of them. In Islam, it is considered blasphemous to *presume* that one can know God or claim any sort of close, personal fellowship with Allah. He reveals his will, not himself. The Bible depicts God as He knows us; but more than that, He is knowable and approachable. He created us in His image with personality, thought, and will for the purpose of enjoying an everlasting, unbreakable, intimate relationship with Him. He exists as a Trinity in eternal relationship as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In fact, God is so knowable, He came in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth according to the Christian teachings, so they are not the same "God", when you take different personalities and Jesus into consideration, but I myself do have some crticism of the OT & some of the NT passages, and I believe that they seem to be having a connection with what the Gnostics would refer to as the Demiurge, but just under different names/cultures.
Wait, are you saying jews and Christians don't worship the same god?
Or just Muslims worship a different god? @Livxly Dxll
Ok I was mostly oversimplifiing tov make a joke there and not wanting to start anything. Also you say you aren't religious yet have the thesit tag <:thonk:485324336874651650> but I'm like 90% that the one abarhamic god is written about in all three of those religions.
Why would it matter if Jesus was the son of God to a Muslim if a Muslim rejected the idea of god having a son in the first place it wouldn't factor in to the god that they worship right?
The idea of god being kind and loving is also one that came in and out of "fashion" across the testimants. If God can change from more harsh to less harsh in the new testament surely it's not out of the picture to assume he can go back to being harsher. Just because he changed doesn't mean he is a new god.
Especially if what the Qur'an says about Jesus predicting Muhammad would come being true, as well as the many references to Jesus in the Qur'an and the idea that Jesus will fight on behalf of Allah and describe himself as a follower of Islam.
Your way of disputing the idea that the same God is worshiped across all 3 seems quite biased towards a Christian veiw.
It is the same God
The difference in the religions is each sides take on what that God actually is
In this sense, Light is correct
Islam views God as impersonal and judgmental, existing solely as a supreme ruler that decides the ultimate fate of every living thing.
Judaism views God similarly to the Christian view, but with an implicit bias towards works. To the Jew, God is there to punish and forgive, and he protects and cares solely for those who follow Judaism. All that exists around Judaism can be used by God to punish or help the followers of the Jewish religion.
@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS Being a Theist doesn't equate to religion. If you're still stuck in that materialist mentality and think of it as just Atheism vs Religion, maybe you should look into neuroscience & choose neither pills. I'm an idealist, because I know for a fact that there is more to reality than meets the eye. And yeah, the Abrahamic god is presented/mentioned in all three, but particularly in the Old Testament, however, I look at the whole deity of Christ from a Gnostic perspective and to me, YHWH is not the Father that Jesus was speaking of, and I would argue that it's what the Gnostics would refer to as the Demiurge, and the same goes for Allah. Not all Gnostics are the same, in fact, some think that the entire deity of Jesus is too good to be true or just another set of traps to put you in guilt-trip in compairson, but from my perspective - He was sent by the real Father that we don't even know its name of, and to bring knowledge = gnosis onto the ignorant and for those that are willing to go on a pursuit of genuine truth, and to try getting out of this 3D hellhole, which I don't believe to be our first experience...perhaps the whole notion of some people remembering past lives, the sensation of Deja vu, etc...would be clues and in 101 Gnosticism, people who don't get it right won't be damned for eternity the way the Abrahamic faiths would put it, but instead, be tortured till they forget their memories & be given countless amount of chances till they get it right, but the consequences will be different...perhaps they will be born into the rougher areas of the world and suffer more for whatever particular reason it might be, but that is just speculation. I look at the entire experience as a form of reconcilation.
And sorry for this long post btw.