yeah, don't quote me on your essays or anything

Too late lol

@Deleted User Moses De Leon was not the author. The Rabbi, Shimon Bar, was the one to have completed the Zohar. I don't blame you, at first glance typing ''Zohar date creation'' gives 13th century date.

plus I think I may have called a named fault by a city name instead of the fault name yesterday, but I can't remember

point is, it was a transform fault

that was still right

https://kabbalah.com/en/master-kabbalists/the-land-is-a-ball pretty spooky

most people thought it was round

Dante's Divine Comedy cited a round earth so that purgatory could exist opposite to civilization

@Amthyric In the renaissance, many people believe in round earth but not in the ancient times. I was surprised to see other people than greek philosopher think that the earth was round. So far from what I know, it was a couple of greerk philosophers and jewish kabbalists who tought the earth was round in ancient times.

that said, Dante was pre-Columbus

the article is about Columbus

Renaissance started pre-Columbus, it started around the 14th century

It's not unusual to find out most people in the renaissance believed in round earth, but it is unusual to find people in ancient times believe that it was round.

correct

It had it's inception during the late 15 early 16th century

@Sassy Undeniably just curious what are you studying in university?

?

Entreprenual BAAS and cosmetology

Ok just curious

and kinesiology

Hey I have a few friends in kinesiology

Yeah

@rivenator12113 the Zohar is a medieval document. I don’t know what you’re referencing about the 13th century

It’s essentially fanfic about a bunch of famous rabbis

@rivenator12113 some of the rabbis mentioned in it are from far earlier, as you said. But the actual document was written in the Middle Ages

many of the scientific theories the world clings to are largely based on the Zohar/Kaballah philosophies. things like string theory for example, quantum physics etc.

i wish i took notes on specifics. one sec

@Deleted User The teachings of the Zohar was introduced by a rabbi 2000 years ago but they were persecuted and could never publish their work. Moses took their work and published it to the public, he ascribed all the works of the Zohar to Shimon Bar

@rivenator12113 when are you claiming the Zohar was written?

@Millennium Envoy nnnnope

look into it

respected "scientists" have said it already

@Deleted User mb, 2000 years ago

@Deleted User 2nd century ad

it was kept in secret until Moses published it

The Zohar was supposedly discovered being used as wrapping for fish from the market

it should be. its a sinister ideology that will lead to the justification of a one world religion down the line

Big pieces of it are like if someone wrote the avengers with historical characters from different times and places

Like if a British story had Alfred the great hanging out with Queen Victoria and Lancelot

Moses deleon said that it was passed down generation by generation starting with it's creator, Shimon

We know from the geography in it that it was probably written in medieval Spain

I'm not arguing who published it first

Moses Deleon, the guy who published, ascribed the work to Shimon

who dated back to 2nd century ad

and said that it was passed down generation by generation by fear of getting persecuted if it was ever published to the masses back in the roman times

romans weren't very accepting of jews

https://atrueott.wordpress.com/tag/heliocentrism-origins/

@rivenator12113 as the post you shared also says, it mentions things after the Talmud. It is necessarily post-Talmudic. The Talmud was written in the Middle Ages.

Again, you got your history wrong. It got published in the middle ages but it was not written in the middle ages. Not a very hard concept to grasp, publish != creation

the reason it couldn't be available to the public was fear of getting persecuted so it was kept secret

new horizon footage hot off the press

now at 180,000 feet 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPCIHR9A38Q

its coffin is flat tho

LMAO

@rivenator12113 again, that is not accurate. It references events that happened in the Middle Ages and references the Talmud. It was written in the Middle Ages.

When do you think it was written?

Did you read the article you posted? It says all this.

whatever you do...be sure to keep arguing and ignore the dead flat horizon at 180,000 feet.

and keep bring up nonsense about sun movements.....gravity.....seismic waves.....

“...together with the circumstance that it refers to historical events of the post-Talmudical period...”

cause it matters so much that some bs from way back then was the start of all your disbelief and well you have to get the order right about who threw the first punch and which punch was the best one

@Deleted User https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/texts/talmud.shtml are you really saying that the talmud was composed in the middle ages? where are you getting this from?

never mind that the victor or oppressor's told the history we just going to ignore that fact and just keep going

@Deleted User every search says from 1st century ad to 6th century ad. nowhere close to the middle ages. where are you looking for that pseudo history?

Maybe I’m thinking of the Mishnah as well

i had some guy the other day tell me that the sumerians were round earthers, pseudohistorians are on the rise

My mistake- does not invalidate my point however

As the article you posted said, 2nd-5th century

So when the other article you posted says post-Talmudic, that means 5th century onward

Either way, it puts its creation well after classical Greece as we discussed earlier, and well after the “2000 years ago” number you cited

''Between the 2nd and 5th centuries''

Yep, that is when it was written

Interesting 👍 @Sassy Undeniably

So “post Talmudic” would mean after that period

But even if you want to take the 2nd century as your line

And say the whole thing was written on 1/1/100

All my points still stand.

it's literally written CE, another word for AD

*1/1/101

Yep, correct

What is your question?

At this point I’ve forgotten your original point if there ever was one

What are you trying to prove?

If it’s that the first flat earth reference is in the Zohar, then that is debunked by your own dates

*round earth

man, you can find somebody else to troll, you first referred to the talmud being created to the middle ages now you completely switch views then say ''i was right'' wtf?

I was mistaken, I was thinking of the combined Talmud and mishna

But as I said, even at the dates you provided for the Talmud, your hypothesis is disproven

What even is this conversation?

i have no idea, she said talmud now switches to something else

Yes River, would you care to state what you’re trying to prove?

i'm honestly confused

@Flat Earth PhD There's curvature in that new horizon footage. 😬

@rivenator12113 was saying that the first reference to a round earth is in the Talmud

And I was disproving that