By adding a second balloon, you've doubled both the mass and the volume, so they cancel each other out.

the mass increase so does the volume, however the increase in mass is much much less than the increase in mass would be if you were to fill the balloons with air

that doesn't matter

it could be infinitely less

as long as the ratio stays the same...

Which it obviously does if the helium balloons are identical.

Air has a density of about 1.2kg/m^3, however helium at room temperature at standard air pressure is about 0.164kg/m^3 and hydrogen is lower about 0.1kg/m^3

So for each meter cubed of helium you are adding you can lift about 1kg

Are we changing the subject ok then

So when you have about 100 m^3 of helium you should be able to lift a man

Which law is this?

Archimdedes principle

First law

We are still one that?

F = pVg

p = density

V = volume

g = gravity

Can you really lift a man?

@Ivan Pavlovich What's gravity?

1. CHANGING THE DENSITY OF THE BODY: https://imgur.com/a/uIY067X

all flight is based on lift

No it's not

The thing that facilitates the phenomenon you mentioned

And what would that be please?

most that is

Downwards force, as pointed out in the diagram you posted

Yeah Archimedes didn't use gravity

So I don't know what your point is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538929818834698260/564179895685742613/DeepinScreenshot_select-area_20190315045859.png

See that downwards arrow?

tbh me neither

ignore that

See that upwards arrow?

Yes.

Yeah exactly

So you admit to a downwards force and a normal force?

So as you can see you can modify the direction and rate of acceleration by changing your density

@Ivan Pavlovich force is mass times acceleration is it?

yes?

NET acceleration

What does this have to do with balloons and more importantly gravity

@Hamburger Guy what's gravity?

If that upwards arrow overpowers the downwards, you will float.

@Human Sheeple how does that photo prove your first law

You can set pVg equal to your weight to see how many balloons you need to fly.

If you can make your body a lower density than the medium, you will float in accordance with archimedes principle

Ok and

@Ivan Pavlovich And I can make up math too, n = RM/I
number of retards in the room = Retardation factor x Morons / IQ of the lowest person in the room

Actually hold on I need to do something

Busy day

You think this is made up?

But yeah until I see scientific method experimental evidence of your "g" I'm going to discount it

You do realise that this equation is verified, right?

So verify g for me please

g is just downwards acceleration.

You can measure that by dropping stuff from a set height.

GRAVITY DROP SOMETHING FLIES UP: https://imgur.com/a/0gpjvOK

so g = about + 2 m/s^2 yes?

That's accelerating upwards isn't it?

Yeah thought so

That's disregarding air resistance, buoyancy, etc.

Sorry I want cause and effect scientific method experimental evidence, I don't want your beliefs

I am looking at acceleration here

I can show you very clear evidence changing densities changes acceleration

It's just a belief that stuff accelerates at 9.8 in a vacuum?

And yes, nobody denies that buoyancy exists.

Same as sitting on a chair can bring your acceleration to 0.

That brings us to Sheeple's 2nd law of accelerationism

2. CHANGING THE DENSITY OF THE MEDIUM: https://imgur.com/i0Cww6Y

```in a vacuum```

that's changing the density of the medium

https://youtu.be/2hBDTh1PUK0

Watch closely

they do not accelerate at the same rate

Ah yes, I've seen this before.

However I would argue the bowling ball and the feather have more similar body density to medium density ratios

in a vacuum

There's this thing called elastic energy.

Nobody's ever observed a perfect vacuum, only ever degrees of parital pressure

Nevertheless archimedes principle is not in violation

You are dropping two very dense objects in a very not dense medium

likewise if you drop a not very dense object in a dense medium such as the aluminium sheet in the container of sulfur hexafluoride, it floats

so before I address the feather, tell me, what provides the downwards force to being with?

force = mass times acceleration, can we deal with the acceleration please?

Yes.

sure so you agree that by changing either the density of the body or changing the density of the medium can cause a change in acceleration even direction of accelration yes?

Yes, a change in net force will change net acceleration.

cause = changing the density of something by attaching helium/hydrogen/deuterium/tritium/helium-3 balloons to ones self.

effect = changing in direction of acceleration

No

well force is a byproduct of acceleration, so I want to talk just about the acceleration please.

Cause: providing upwards force to overcome downwards.

But yes, lets continue

Yeah I'm not interested in forced thank you, I'm talking about sheeple's laws of accelerationism

Lol grabbity forgets to grab helium but somehow makes the atmosphere stick like velcro and prevents it from rushing into a empty space

acceleration is a fundamental component of force

force is not the cause of acceleration

@Hamburger Guy 😂

Try helium in a vacuum.

force is a byproduct of mass and acceleration

Density then

Actually, force IS the cause of acceleration.

9. WAVE PROPULSION: https://imgur.com/BOi8zNF

No it's really not

EM waves have ZERO mass

force is mass times acceleration

no mass yet acceleration occurs

So @Ivan Pavlovich I'm sorry you're wrong

What acceleration?

Do you see the object moving as a result of being shot at with a laser?

lasers emit light or infra red waves

Yeah, waves have energy and they can transfer that.

so it's not a force then is it

It is.

force is mass times acceleration, what's anything times zero @Ivan Pavlovich ?

zero

zero force yet an acceleration occurs

The LIGHT has 0 mass, not the object being pushed.

force is a byproduct of accelertiaon, accelration is not a by product of force

so can you please shut up about forces now you've been proven WRONG

?

F = ma
Therefore a = F/m
m = F/a
You could also say that a stationary cube has no acceleration, and their mass cannot be calculated as you cannot divide by 0 so it cannot exist

This kind of reasoning does not work

I haven't been proven wrong, but we might as well move on.

We're talkign about acceleration and @Ivan Pavlovich keeps insisiting a force is required, it's really not

Can't you use p = f*v and disregard the mass term

But mass is part of the relationship between both

How can you have a force with zero mass @Ivan Pavlovich ?

Yes

How much does a beam of light weigh?

How can you have a mass with no acceleration?

Same equation

Same logic

Ok, so you're confusing the light with the object that's being pushed.

object being pushed by light with zero mass

The acceleration _of the object_ is what matters

@Syntax Thank you, can you tell @Ivan Pavlovich that please

F = ma refers to the object being pushed, not the pusher.

What I was saying is actually going against your line of reasoning

because I swear to god if this zombie doesn't shut up about his forces I'm going to kick him, a zero sum force that creates an acceleration such shit

Censorship.

You can't use the equation to argue that way
Rearrange the equation and your logic causes the value of mass to be uncalculatable

ANYWAYS, let's move on

For real this time

3. APPLICATION OF PRESSURE VECTORS https://imgur.com/a/g6eAkG6

Hmm
sorry

The woman is accelerating

But I don't see any mass pushing that woman

Isn't that just drag, how does that relate to gravity

Must be fake

Same logic

If you have a powerful enough fan underneath you, you will accelerate upwards

@Hamburger Guy He threatened to shut us down, so we don't have a choice.

Cause = big fan blowing air
Effect = acceleration

Yep, air particles can apply force as well.

>>mute 542838501087903745

<:vSuccess:390202497827864597> Successfully muted **Ivan Pavlovich**#1596

you were warned

Uh

see keeps going back to forces again

I'm talkign about acceleration

This seems a lot like silencing people that are bringing up genuine points

you mean he was shown you don't need a force to create an acceleration with light then tried to shift the goal posts then agreed light has no mass

These are laws of acceleration, not laws of force

Mass, Force and acceleration are all linked by the same equation
A question including acceleration will often include, you need to understand this

So your point doesn't stand

@Syntax Alright then show me please how a massless beam of light can have a force
9. WAVE PROPULSION: https://imgur.com/BOi8zNF

Right

you can if the wall is made of glass!

So if you shine a laser through a glass wall

The light will defract if it is at an angle

The light collides with the glass first at one part of the beam, causing a change in direction as there is some kind of resisting force
This force opposes the acceleration of the light
So the light accelerates slower on one part, and then angles based on the refraction index
The light will decelerate due to glass

So some kind of force must be resisting the light

And to have a resisting force like that, the light must have a force acting against the glass

Probably got some terms wrong in my explanation

But this what I've been taught

Usually it's written as F = ma
a=F/m is a rearrangement

@SeekingTruth then in which case light must have mass to have mass times acceleration to cause the force observed here
9. WAVE PROPULSION: https://imgur.com/BOi8zNF

@SeekingTruth May I please see your WEIGHT of light please

Ha

Weight can't even exist without gravity, which I doubt you even believe in

@Syntax Funny that because Archimedes WEIGHED things almost 2000 years before gravity was invented

Buoyancy works off of weight

Sorry I want @SeekingTruth to first show me how light has mass with which to hold a force

You actually need to apply calculations to convert that to mass if you want to use it in other equations related to force

Afterall

convert to mass?

Weight is just force

So it's not mass is it?

Nope

No mass, no force

it's mass x acceleration

right no mass is ZERO

ZERO x anything = ZERO

But

You still do not believe in gravity

Science here, not belief

So you can't claim anything about Archimedes considering weight is just the mass x the acceleration due to gravity that the object is experiencing

@SeekingTruth WRONG, matter is measured in mols

WRONG

which is matter

``` mass is the amount of matter something has```

that's WRONG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_(unit)

u h

Mass isn't any kind of quantity

I mean

I worded that wrong

Mass itself is not a specific measurement

Mass can be representing in kg and plenty of other forms

@SeekingTruth you just said that mass is the amount of matter something has so you've just contradicted yourself

Atoms != matter

How many atoms does an electron contain?

Or a proton?

@Syntax May I see a photograph of an electron or a proton please?

What are you even thinking?

Sorry i'm just getting you to read back your own garbage to yourself so you can see how illogical it really is

I'm trying to perform brain surgery here

and I need you to work with me a little

Are you... asking for a picture.. Of something that makes up an atom?

So how much mass does a quanta of light have?

@SeekingTruth Nope charge is real

Are you saying... Electrons don't exist?

Or they have no mass?

is this the human sheeple, sir

@Hamburger Guy alright now I've got SeekingTruth to show he's contradicted himself and he doesn't even know basic science I'll deal with you

❤

is the earth fround

Basic physics would be more accurate to say...
At least stay on the right field

So do you have a photograph of a physical spherical charge carrying particle orbiting around a bunch of neutrons and protons yes or no?

No considering it's probably too small to give a photograph with our current technology

But

You are also saying protons and neutrons do not have mass

How many atoms in a proton?

Alright, cards on the table, two spinning ball models

do you know what a model is?

Uh

Why are you asking here?

Two spinning ball models

This is actually the crux of it all

Why does that matter?

Afterall

One is about atoms

oh trust me it's your key to reality

and the other is a planet

once you've worked out this whole time you've been trapped inside the confines of a model and what a model really means you'll thank me

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/model