No the government made up chins

Chins are not real

shut up lol

okay a real debate

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I have a question

can it be sexual debate

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*pulls out meat scupper*

yall are stoopid if you think the earth is flat

earth is not flat

she a curvy

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Good evening everybody

Is this the general chat?

The closest thing to serious general chat, I suppose

Most people talk in <#484514023698726912>

I'll jam it in here to, incase anyone's up for a discussion

What does every major government, NASA, SpaceX and every single airplane pilot have to gain from lying to the world exactly?

@SEMXY PENGUIN - for one, ..you can go to <#484514023698726912> ,,and ..check "Pinned" messages, and scroll down a fw till you see the post i pinned

how's that for starters

I'm asking for a public debate; not for articles

I want to hear what the community here believes

i think the most unbelivable part about the entire theory is that it would require a collective unity of every single (or most) major government and everyone just hates each other too much for that to be a reality

thats the point I was getting at

if anything you would imagine the governments coming together for a more important purpose, like hiding aliens or something

Its a stretch in my eyes too

also i dont think the money is that big an incentive to do something like this

when you're talking a conspiracy on a global scale, 30 billion is literally table scraps

NASA money is pretty much irrelevant on the grand scale

not to mention the money put into the digital recreations

it seems like very little reward vs a huge risk

If the entire world is trying to hide something from the public, then perhaps it's best that it remains hidden

assuming that there is something to hide in the first place, of course

@SEMXY PENGUIN its not an effn "article"

lol wtf are you on about 😆

as diverse as the world is you'd imagine that the various governmental figures of each country would have very differing views on a myriad of topic, including religion, economics, scientific theories, etc.

to all come together and decide on this is preposterous in theory

america alone has hugely different politics sometimes every 4 years

If it's the post about making indoctrination easier, why not pick something easier to lie about?

There's plenty of things out there that wouldn't cost so much to fake that a government could tell people

Or you can just avoid putting forward flawed evidence that leads to flat earthers and the like in the first place; I'm sure a government is capable of self-regulating like that

per my previous example, if you were to collectively, say, hide aliens, that is not necessarily a religiously-bound principle or a politically motivated one either. it's one based on barebones security and peace which a good majority of different countries and governments could agree on. however, you start to get the idea of this conspiracy to "keep god out of people's lives" or "start spreading more scientific theory" and this gets a lot more controversial and much, MUCH less plausible in action

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i dont know if your post was in reference to semxy or me or both but I already had read such

semxy

he/she couldn't seem to find it//locate it, i guess,
dunno

I had read it

thats what my above paragraph was on

but okay

if nasa has a blackhole budget (clever pun), why would they be stupid enough to leave evidence behind about the moon landing being fake? An organization of such immense power wouldn't leave openings for people to doubt them

Alright, @Stick Boi has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

How? Oh.............

Alright, @Stick Boi has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

Alright, @DownSyndrome Cory has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

Any word beside FU CK bypasses quite often

saying the underage looking anime girl your attracted to is 2000 is not a genuine excuse, and ur still a pedo
thankyou for coming to my TED talk

anyone wanna debate

no

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The Earth is a wet pancake - change my mind

The Earth is a Dino - Change my mind

No legs no movement

Do flat earthers believe in dinosaurs?

If the earth was flat why would the government lie about it?

Three questions I have for flat Earthers-
1) Have ever you had any prior knowledge of (Classical) Geometry?
2) How do you explain the different heights of shadows at different places of the Earth?
3) How do you explain the visible curvature in high heights and disappearences of ships over the horizon?

that's a big oof

they cant

earth chan isn't flat

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why is gravity formally known as "Newton's LAW of universal gravitation"?
Let that sink in.

wait, are you for, or against the reality of gravity?

It is a law of nature

Yes
Perspective
There is no visible curvature at high heights unless you are looking at things like NASA or redbull.
Optical slant. @روح ادریس

"We can see the curvature of the Earth but we came up with this other explanation that makes less sense so let's go with that." @Citizen Z

@vazorium who sees it?

also are you a geologist?

@vazorium are you a curvature scientist?

Who sees the curve?

Name one person not related to government that sees the curve

ancient sailors for one

like if you're going across an ocean you can literally see it. this has been documented for centuries

They never saw a curve

okay they were all government spies who time traveled to fool us in the modern age

Its called optical slant. It looks as if something is disappearing from the bottom up, but its just the way light and the eye or lenses works

Seeing something disappear is not seeing a curve

sure, buddy, go with the explanation that makes less sense

The angular resolution of the eye is .02 degrees

It doesn't make less sense. Look into it

"The angular resolution of the eye is .02 degrees" how would you know this?

I dare ya.

nah I'll prove how it makes less sense. how would you know this "The angular resolution of the eye is .02 degrees"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_eye#Basic_accuracies

Yiu are not seeing a curve. You are just losing resolved light

If the angular resolution is 0.02 degrees, which it approximately is, then we should literally see over 10,000 miles from a commercial flight by known phenomenon of optical slant.
Of course, we don't, because earth curve.

Huh

Where did you get that info?

Ever hear of visibility?

You can do the calculations by assuming a flat plane and a 0.02 degree resolution

K show me the calculations.

Alright, just a second...

Then realize there is something called visibility.

WHAT CAUSES GREAT VISIBILITY?
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/276/

You forgot about that

Plus, we do see further when up higher.

Waiting for your calculations

h/tan(0.02 degrees) = d
h is observer height, and d distance to horizon. It gets about 3.2 miles at 6 foot observer height, which is more or less accurate. But at altitudes like 40,000 feet, it blows up.

@Citizen Z got up for a sec, glad you responded. why do you trust Wikipedia, a wiki anyone can edit, as a reliable source for "The angular resolution of the eye is .02 degrees"?

@Technomatrix so you discount visibility?

Visibility, sure, but on a clear day, we should see much father than we do in reality

@Technomatrix do you live inside a vacuum?

On a globe, it makes sense. On a flat earth, not so much

@Technomatrix prove it.

well, I got perspective accounted for. Now I'll just need footage from commercial flights

@vazorium it's not just wiki

@Citizen Z what primary source would you trust and why?

So you disagree?
The angular resolution of the eye is not .02 degrees?

@vazorium please show me your findings

I'm interested

@Citizen Z you made a positive claim, I want to see how you go about proving it

Test it

You have optical measurements that precise? lmao

Earth is round

Debate settled

Show me that it's wrong. I have no reason not to believe it. Its verifiable

Unlike the globe

Globe has been observed flat earth hasn't

@Bear. who observed the globe?

Did you?

@Citizen Z So, hold on a second, when people who disagree with you post primary sources from scientists you presume they're part of a government conspiracy but when you find Wikipedia articles that proport science-sounding facts they're gospel.

Why are some scientists' claims valid and others not?

@vazorium no. I'm saying optics is verifiable. Space is not.

Gtg for a bit.

@Citizen Z Right, so we can trust medical science now? Are *you* going to tell *me* that vaccines don't cause autism like medical science says?

This form of reasoning is extremely ad-hoc.

@vazorium I never claimed vaccines cause autism. However it's possible there is a correlation.

@Citizen Z Medical science says vaccines definitely do not cause autism. Again, ad-hoc reasoning.

The onset of symptoms of autism is around the same time vaccines are given. That's all

Autism is from birth

@vazorium ok. Your opinion based off a belief. See how that works...

It's like trying to say going to hospitals makes you sick

You didn't go to the hospital and then got sick. You were sick prior to going

@Citizen Z my "opinion" on the matter of the shape of the Earth is based on facts as stated by experts, something you are willing to do, blindly, for the anomy of the eye. if the former can be dismissed because of allegations of conspiracy, why is there no suspicion of conspiracy when it comes to human anatomy?

@vazorium appeal to authority

Not an argument

There's definitely medical conspiracies but this ain't one

@Citizen Z Appeal to authority is a valid argument, and something you will use in regards to the anatomy of the eye. Also, prove Appeal to Authority is a fallacy.

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Seriously gtg now. Look it up.

@Citizen Z Emojis aren't arguments. Where did you learn appeal to authority is a fallacy?

Further, if appeal to authority is a fallacy, then you can't claim to know facts about the eye.

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Appeal to authority is when you assume that just because someone is an authority they're right

Alright, @April has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

Authorities can be wrong. That's the whole point of conspiracy theories

@April at 7:36 PM
*"Appeal to authority is when you assume that just because someone is an authority they're right"*
And? Citing facts as discovered by the experts is not a fallacy.

By default, there's no reason *not to* assume a given authority of a subject matter is wrong about said subject matter. You'd have to prove the authority is wrong.

And saying "Oh they're paid by the government." isn't proof of this.

Now, if the authority is *invalid*, say taking a layman's opinion and using it as a source, I would agree that's a fallacious argument.

I can't post pictures. But at 1000 feet altitude, on a flat earth, we could see about 542.5 miles given our angular resolution, while on the globe, the curvature would stop it at 38.7 miles.
Flat earth simply doesn't match reality.

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https://youtu.be/__liPsAYnJs

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And you can see the bottom obscured by that curvature

Longer distances could be seen due to refractive circumstances

https://youtu.be/KxLwaaU1aNk

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April. You need a wake up call... hospitals are one of the WORST PLACES for catching viruses or worse... even though they help you get well. ITS WHERE SICK PEOPLE GO WITH THIER DISEASE AND VIRUS.. i worked for 6 years in ICU and Cardio care units.. Mersa and worse is there

Autism 30 years ago was a 5-6 in a 100 maybe.... today its like over 30 %.. you tell me whats changed... ill tell you.. The MANDATORY VACCINE PROGRAMS

Perhaps not the best analogy but you get my point

@vazorium it's fallacious to assume an authority is correct simply because they're an authority

It's equally as fallacious to assume an independent party is correct simply because they're independent

@April Would you represent yourself in court if you were being tried? Or would you have some bum on the street preform an operation upon you if you were injured?

I would look at track records for ability

@April So the answer to questions one and two are "No.".

Thanks for demonstrating my point.

If the bum could show he was skilled then sure

@April VC

And fwiw I have represented myself in court

lmao

that didn't go well did it?

It actually went perfectly and exactly as I expected

I mostly do my own Healthcare too

Sure, kid, I really believe someone who won't even pop into VC.

I'm mute, hun. Lmap

I don't have patience to be typing all night, especially not to a probable liar.

Assuming someone is wrong due to a disability is an ad hominem fallacy

Typing is faster

Alright, @vazorium has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

So why want it to take longer?

I don't give a sh*t if it's a fallacy or not, buttercup. You're trying my patience with your tall tales and inability to grasp basic concepts.

Yeah it's pretty clear you rely on logical fallacies

I have the court documents to prove it lmao

@April DM me the pics

Go ask the court

You need a court order to see them

Can you show your birth certificate?

DM me

So you don't have the documents, then? Which is it?

AprilToday at 11:54 PM
*"I have the court documents to prove it lmao"*

AprilToday at 11:55 PM
*"Go ask the court
You need a court order to see them"*

Both of these can't be true.

I have them because I have certified copies of the court order and the filed papers that I have personally made. I can access them because they're my own files

It's not illegal to disclose court documents.

if you share your birth certificate, social security card, and ID, then I'll show you them

nah it's just a privacy thing

and you can redact any personal info

why give up my privacy for some anon who's not going to believe me anyway

it's a bullshit thing given you contradicted yourself

I refuse to engage at this hour with a proven liar, goodnight.

this good enough for you?

the only one bullshitting here is you

now please stfu and stop with your logical fallacies

I have indeed represented myself in court

and I indeed do my own healthcare

at no point have I lied

my name is indeed april

but I guarantee yours isn't "vazorium"

why lie and harass people?

it's not even related to your point it just makes you look like an idiot

@vazorium what have I lied about?

Okay so the newst season of doctor who was the worst ever and butchred the charcter of the doctor

Vazorium...you really are kind of being a dick to her... how about not being so condescending.. be abit more CIVIL

I'm baffled at how he doesn't understand basic logical fallacies. First appeal to authority and then ad hominem

What the debate here ?

he doesn't even understand that science doesn't work off of blindly believing authority, but a peer-review process that double checks the findings and repeats the experiment

his argument was "earth is a globe because experts say it is"

so citizen z pointed out the fallacy

and he got butthurt

I'm sure there is peer-reviwed matrial that concurrs with taht

there's peer reviewed studies on both sides

flat earther experiments can be repeated very easily

whereas the globe earth ones sometimes can and sometimes can't

I'd like you to link me one peer-reviewed and caild study for flat earthers

if nasa provides photos and says "this is from space" how can you confirm they're actually from space?

If nasa gave me a photo saying the earth is flat how would you prove it was flat ?

indeed

appeal to authority is never good

there's other organizations which confirm the findings

but then the conspiracy goes and involves them

I'm serious though give me a peer-reviewed matrial that says teh earth is flat

pretty much anyone with sufficient access is going to be a multibillion dollar corp or a gov agency

Then how do you knwo it exists ?

I can access millions of peer-reviewed glovbe matrial...

so your argument is just flawed

you realize I'm not a flat earther, right?

You'r not... then what we arguing about here

@Xnetric not an argument