PRETEND means to make BELIEVE

So a system of postulates is a system of beliefs which means RELIGION

the GLOBE RELIGION

Sorry I'm not a member of your athiestic GLOBE RELIGION

I believe in SCIENCE

lol when you try to disprove religion using a dictionary 😂😂

You don't even understand what MODEL means

MODEL=RELIGION

Occam's razor, by the way, is not generally applicable to things like this

@Fading In the case where a model has suffient evidence to be proven, yes. But in this case one model has a ton of assumptions to be made for it to work, while the other one can be clearly observed without the need of assumptions. So in this case you can definitely use occam's razor to reduce it and say that the more simple explanation is *most likely* the true one.

Which doesn't mean that it's *definitely* the true one

https://ifunny.co/fun/ln9GmWEd6?s=cl

God what happened

@Bannebie No I mean, Occam's razor doesn't mean anything in the case of talking about hypotheses. Simplicity is not an indication of anything

Aristotlian debate is futile in the realm of science. Experimentation is key.

Occam's Razor is constantly used in foolish ways

Simplicity is an indication of what's more likely to be true when confronted with having to choose between a system that relies on multiple assumptions and one that doesn't rely on them.

The original intention was the serve as a guide to which hypothesis to test because it will be the easiest _to test_

It's simply a way to determine what's *more likely* to be true

Okay but in the case of an orbit, what alternative system requiring less assumptions do you mean?

The one that we can observe, motes of light moving in the sky

@Bannebie It's not really. It's no system, just what I feel to be more true.

That's an observation

Not a system

@Fading direct measurement

Subscribe to parry if ur a flat earther https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgq4F5bH9gP4sytkrpFJarw

Alright, @Bannebie has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

@Human Sheeple The accuracy of that instrument is completely inappropriate for the scale we're talking about

That's what I meant, I think my wording was just inadequate

@Bannebie Okay, but then you've said nothing? Science is attempting to answer _why_ and orbits are a model that has been proposed and then repeatedly, exhaustedly verified

@Fading Well feel free to measure it yourself, here go to Ali Baba I even took the trouble to fill out the order form for you

@Human Sheeple it reads the same when you put it on a basketball

@Hamburger Guy No it doesn't!

Stars move in the sky is a great start, an observation. But it is not a system

@Human Sheeple That picture is precisely the reason a spirit level is inappropriate. Both systems can and will behave as perfectly flat for the purposes of the instrument regardless of their macro-scale real shapes

That's what I said ya dingis

@Fading Did you visit Alib Baba yet?
Sorry I forgot to post the link
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The thing is that it's a huge leap from *things move in the sky* to *planets have an orbit around a gigantic ball of gas*. What I'm trying to say is that we cannot go any further from the observation that we can see lights moving in the sky since we lack the data to come to any other conclusion and most likely will never have the data to do so

The terrain may be rough on that image of a basketball but just put the same line through the Himalayas

@Bannebie Well in short terms, no? Our only observation isn't "things move"

We have many variations upon the data we now use

So unless we can *directly observe* planets orbiting a sun, which would confirm the hypothesized model, where's no way we can be absolutely certain that planets have an orbit

Balls in the sky move. They also move in certain patterns. Then you look at those patterns and you wonder how it interacts with other things that are (for the sake of this argument) proven in science (like gravity). Then you theorise maybe the force of gravity is keeping them in line, how could that be? Perhaps an orbit

@Bannebie Is viewing our planets at different times which then traces a path that is an orbit around our sun not a valid observation?

It is, but the only thing you can tell from that is that, again, things seem to move in the sky. You can't possibly make the assumption that gravity keeps them in orbit because we don't know what planets are made out of and if they're even affected by gravity.

Well, it's not an assumption per se. You theorise maybe gravity is what affects them into behaving a certain way. You come up with a hypothesis and then you _test it_

The core of science is then if you test it and your observations reveal that your theory applies, you can then expand on it

Okay, but then you also have to *falsify* it by showing that it's *only* gravity affection them and nothing else

If we hadn't observed the planets behave in a way that conformed to models involving gravitational interaction we wouldn't assume so

That's not how that works?

Because gravity is an adequate explanation, but so is that planets are wandering motes of light in the sky.

Except that it's exactly how it works

The scientific method relies on observation, experimentation, repeatability and falsification

So yes, the basketball is flat

Lol I forgot I had this on my server list

Falsifiability in science refers to the ability for a hypothesis to be disproven, not that you must prove that is the only thing that could affect it

You can come up with any number of ridiculous, outlandish ideas that would explain the same behaviour, and then by your logic you would have to disprove every single one in order to say gravity is the only thing involved

You cant falsify the globe earth unless you flew up and either hit a barrier or saw the earth was flat

Except we start seeing curvature at 50000 feet

Yes, by *disproving* alternative explanations. If phenomenon A can be explained by observation B and observation C, how do you determine which observation adequately explains the phenomenon?

There has to be assumptions made with everything

Any conversation

@Bannebie The one that has evidence to back it

Precisely.

@Hamburger Guy yeah but 70 percent of the Earth is covered with water

Here, let me give you an example

So Earth is mostly flat

You're coming up with hypothetical alternate theories that have an equal amount of evidence. For orbits, those _do not exist_

It's not mostly mountain

Water isnt flat

We do not have another explanation with even close to the amount of observations and evidence and models we have for orbital theory

That makes no sense

The earth is oblong

@Death9Reaper It's mostly flat

Water is not level heard of ocean currents

*under certain weather conditions

They are schedule though

Well yeah but it still isnt flat over long distances

@Death9Reaper proof?

@Death9Reaper That's CGI there are better photos

Would you like more photos

@Death9Reaper You realise that's an ADMITTED stitched together cartoon?

So are cartoons evidence then?

Great

@Human Sheeple Having different shots of an object which are then put together doesn't make it fake

It is taken from multiple pictures that arent cartoons

There are only two raw photos of globe earth

FLAT DEAD REDEMPTION EDGE OF THE EARTH: https://imgur.com/THm8tuQ

I FOUND THE EDGE GUYS

CARTOONS ARE VALID EVIDENCE NOW

Composite images does not mean the image is fake

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YCc3U9b3DiI01qx_zL1H7sUDdnGAoJOcOCtDXSlywuo/https/cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/353674522592935947/463319504441835520/CrackInTheSky.gif

I can make a composite image of my back yard, my back yard still exists.

@Bannebie Doesn't matter there are two raw photos

God, it isnt a cartoon. It is real photos just put together. Which doesnt make it any less true

I FOUND THE FIRMAMENT

I can take two pictures of a shoe in my room, stic- Yeah Bannebie said what I was going to

genesis 1:6-9

**Genesis 1:6-9 - King James Version with Apocrypha (KJVA)**

```Dust


<6> And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. <7> And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. <8> And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. <9> And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. ```

exodus 20:4

**Exodus 20:4 - King James Version with Apocrypha (KJVA)**

```Dust


<4> Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: ```

So we're going to bring the bible into this now?

@Hamburger Guy Raw photos from whom?

Lol

@Fading Cartoons proves the bible was right

@Bannebie NASA

@Death9Reaper Is allowed to use cartoons as evidence now

And why would I trust Nasa?

@Human Sheeple How so?

It isnt a cartoon

One 43 years ago and another from Satellite EPIC

It is multiple REAL photos put together

yes it is

That's sweet, but again, why would I trust Nasa?

I got a friend to test it for fakeness and it's real

https://youtu.be/WWD7iw_1M0Q

Do you not know how pictures work?

So is the black hole image real

So if I use SOME real photos in my cartoon, that's allowed is it?

Yes

And no

Maybe? I don't know.

Yes black hole

I can make a similar black hole image with a lamp and a piece of paper

So lole

@Human Sheeple all the photos are real

Like

Black Hole and EPIC earth images are real

Yes I know NASA's budget is a black hole, what's your point?

They only get 2%

ONLY 20 billion dollars a year every year

that's nothing for space fairing builders of civilization

20 billion dollars is NOTHING apparently

Actually that is a lot

But

rockets cost a lot

I cant talk, my phone is about to die

Goodbye everyone

cya

This is of course only opinion but if you were to assume NASA has good intentions and their mission statements are accurate, 20 billion dollars seems fair for what they're doing

@Death9Reaper keep watching your cartoons
https://youtu.be/bWrxe_jxjR8

https://pics.me.me/if-you-think-this-is-a-picture-of-jupiter-then-26374992.png @Hamburger Guy

Epic pics 😂

20 billion dollars is insanity 😡

@The Gwench Send full pfp pls

@The Gwench Good afternoon

If you've got this I'm going to take a shower and make some food

You got this right?

Cool

So lets put aside the question of whether or not NASA is lying and a huge conspiracy, @The Gwench You don't think 20 billion dollars is reasonable for a project to advance science and our understanding of space?

@Bannebie No, sorry. People want it so that can create fake accounts.

I want it because it's a cute cat

I am legally obliged to collect cute cats

@Human Sheeple I don’t got this. Gtg. 😂

@Bannebie My cat keeps trying to sit on my shoulders and kneads his claws, little bastard

@Fading I haven't seen mine in a month

REAL

@Citizen Z My friend tested that too. The photos themselves are real but the animation is stitched together.

Aww poor @Bannebie, does he live with someone else?

Alright, @Fading has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

No, our neighborhood is just huge

So he strolls around a lot

Comes home like once a month

As an Australian I never knew how hard a curse filter would be lmao

@Hamburger Guy sure

Thats why over a 5 hour supposed timelapse the cloud hardly change

hi

hi

And the moon doesnt rotate

And there is a green line on the right edge of the moon

what...

the moon is beautiful though ;-;

@Citizen Z I didn't know it goes from cloudy to clear in 5 hours where you live

there is no green line on the right edge of the moon

I love looking up at the moon. Hello @elle

me too! hello:)

It's elle RUN

hey!

It's easy to look up and see why it's been so alluring to all of humankind. Just hanging there so silent but really beautiful, just out of reach

i don't bite ;-;

@Hamburger Guy She does bite, I've seen it

Careful

that's pretty folly

HEY!

I'm new to this whole Flat Earth thing can someone explain it

I'm just warning the poor man before he gets savaged

):

Bros before hoes, sorry

How's it going? Still cold up there?

that's not fair theres barely any girls here to group u p with!

no it's warm again but i am good thanks hbu?:)

It's true, it's a bit of a sausage party in here

Which makes sense because there's no girls on the internet, not even you

then what am u

i

not u

Yeah it's fine, nice and cool just how I like it. Been too busy, I don't get to come on here enough

You're a 45 year old man of course

We all are

being busy is good it means you dont waste time

or at least not as much time

Nah I'm a lazy bastard at my core, I'd love to do nothing

wow exposed

it seems that way with most men lol

It has a unique appeal, not doing anything

I know quite a few lazy women so don't worry lol

And my repeated observation is that women have the most disgustingly messy rooms, so checkmate

Alright, @Fading has been warned for '**Bad word usage**'.

Of ffs

Oh ffs*

ok ur not wrong i am really messy myself

Well I had a nice message crafted, but I watched Laura

what non Christian thing did you say

It was really good, thank you for the rec!

One of the better noir movies I've seen actually

Also I honestly don't know

If someone won’t hit a girl cause she’s a girl, is he well mannered or a sexist?

I'm Australian so we just pepper it through all of our messages. It's like punctuation, I don't even think about it

oooo really?:) i am so glad you enjoyed it! i also think it is a great noir

Asking for a friend

hahahaha

I literally just had to delete the f-word just before "think about it"

well bacon its kind of unfair to hit anyone who is notably weaker than you

Yeah in most cases women aren't threatening enough to require physical violence beyond perhaps being restrained

But if they are dangerous, fire away

but if a woman hits you you should be allowed to hit back and teach that bish respect

Then if it’s a really buff girl that lifts like 50kg?

Bounce that woman off the walls like my dad used to

He didn't btw I'm kidding

That was my grandfather

lol then run away from that girl because you will be the one leaving with a black eye if not more

nice folly sounds like a lot of fun

D:

Ahem 50kg is not that much weight?

Ja

I mean in 1 hand

is it not

Oh

well

idk about weights

Still not too bad you should be fine