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@Human Sheeple _argument ad populum_ only applies if the existence of a consensus is being used to justify an argument, but scientific consensus is short hand for saying there is a vast swathe of evidence behind it
@Mia_ShardOfShardOfConfusion I agree with you but isn't that generally a legal definition varying by jurisdiction?
@Human Sheeple why is it anti-human to be okay with abortion?
@Human Sheeple a partial-birth abortion is not a post-birth abortion, and the point of a partial-birth abortion is to leave a fetus intact to help with the grieving process
@Human Sheeple why are you assuming the fetus can feel it?
<@565177355111497738> it really isn't in concentrations high enough to cause an issue in terms of hormones, nor is there a reason to think it is carcinogenic
But iirc (don't have evidence on hand) it does cause skin irritation in many people
<@565177355111497738> The research hasn't really been done on can-lining leaching or the impact of BPA on hormones, so guess we have to wait
<@565177355111497738> That's completely untrue, delivery method is incredibly important in terms of effects on the body
@Human Sheeple Do you believe it is inherently wrong and not worth your time simply to have a _discussion_ ?
<@565177355111497738> Not necessarily but my point is that there IS a big difference in ingestion and absorption through skin with a general trend that you absorb FAR less than through the skin
@!GPT I shall report to my superiors at Monsanto at once!
What is the general dislike of Monsanto by people here? Their biodiversity practices I'm assuming?
As much as i dislike Monsanto is being aggressively sarcastic helpful in any way?
<@565177355111497738> What is the _main_ reason you think the moon landing is fake?
@LQCKAS looks like you'll need to find someone who is serious lol
<@565177355111497738> what about the footage in particular?
@!GPT do you normally talk by making vague, non-specific statements then changing the subject?
@moneyduck that is a beautiful proboscis if I do say so myself
@!GPT what makes you think the sun doesn't move?
@lanky that goes without saying but this is still a place for discussing it with people who, for whatever reason, believe
@!GPT do you ever actually elaborate on anything you say?
@The Gwench sorry I should have been more concise, I wanted to ask whether or not [JAXA LIES] is trolling because his statements are always vague, without specifics and followed up by a barrage of sarcasm that do nothing for discussion
@The Gwench I do agree that the cross-talking nature of Discord may not be helpful for discussion but is asking for clarification on very short statements that, I repeat, contain no specifics, considered redundant here?
@The Gwench okay thanks I'm just trying to get a feel for the server, I only just joined
@Overlord Yam it's just words, at the end of the day it's harmless
@The Gwench I may just be blind because i can't find info anywhere, but how does someone become a verified Mainstream?
<@565177355111497738> when you say "Clear they're on wires", I don't see any wires?
<@565177355111497738> So I'm not making an argument in particular but have you ever seen that sped up footage of certain things can appear to be quite odd, on earth?
<@565177355111497738> Any footage of things sped up often appears strange, and that effect is going to be amplified by the physics we are very unfamiliar with of a body in 0.16 g
@!GPT Theory means something different in science than it does in the colloquial use
Seeing as you like to quote wikipedia @!GPT :
"The meaning of the term scientific theory (often contracted to theory for brevity) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of theory.[Note 1] In everyday speech, theory can imply an explanation that represents an unsubstantiated and speculative guess, whereas in science it describes an explanation that has been tested and widely accepted as valid. These different usages are comparable to the opposing usages of prediction in science versus common speech, where it denotes a mere hope."
@!GPT there's generally more financial incentives to deny climate change
And oil companies have been caught attempting to do so in the past
@VoidedKN0X seeing it through a telescope is a good bet
@VoidedKN0X to be sure of what it is if you're hypothetically discounting other evidence for it (aka NASA) you'd need a telescope
@Overlord Yam I vote we allow abortions up until age 14. Sometimes you just realise your child was a mistake
@VoidedKN0X a simple telescope with no electronic components is suitable
@VoidedKN0X And that can't be manipulated without very significant conspiracy
@VoidedKN0X What I mean is you are perfectly capable of obtaining this telescope _yourself_ if you truly believe every piece of evidence handed to you is doctored
@VoidedKN0X in my opinion the idea that there's such a grand conspiracy to manipulate things like that is very similar to narcissism but that's just my opinion on the matter, I would suggest you obtain evidence yourself if you decide you can't believe anything given to you
@Human Sheeple I believe in R, it is a very powerful statistical software package
@VoidedKN0X Take it apart and look at the very simple optics first, then
@VoidedKN0X Learn to grind the lens yourself if you're that concerned
@Human Sheeple with that second picture is it not considered good manners here to format some sort of mathematical proof in a way that is actually legible? I see no nomenclature or units at all
@Human Sheeple thank you for that but what I meant was presenting whatever you're trying to say with the above picture in a clearer way. I can begin to muddle through it but it's very unclear
<@565177355111497738> the earth looked curved to me?
<@565177355111497738> You mean the Baumgartner jump?
@Overlord Yam just clarifying, do you find there's an issue with understanding frames of reference and perspective on this server? I'm very confused with what's going on here
@VoidedKN0X nobody has even begun to talk about proofs yet though
@!GPT if it is reasonable to say that NASA is expertly doctoring images to prove their point, can we reasonably use photographs someone with a clear flat earth bias provides?
<@565177355111497738> While the Baumgartner video is useless as evidence for a curved earth for this reason, there's also nothing in it that says the earth is flat either
@VoidedKN0X did you try doing another reaction in the rank channel?
@VoidedKN0X it's too late just accept your fate as a flat earther. Do not resist.
<@565177355111497738> Okay so then you have to get into whether or not it's reasonable to believe that conspiracy is true, which is kind of a dead end argument
<@565177355111497738> You can just say "I don't believe that, it's lies" to basically anything
@!GPT Human Sheeple answered your own question there, it's a stitched together image left bright for clarity
@!GPT who here has said that questioning a government agency is close minded?
@!GPT No, photons don't have an end. They have a point at which they stop being "visible"
@!GPT The end of your journey, perhaps? But the photon continues whether or not you can see it (if I'm correct in assuming you're talking about light falloff)
@Human Sheeple I guess you'll have to consider me a liar then Sheeple, it's a sad day
<@565177355111497738> That would be really cool
@!GPT the exposure is wrong for capturing stars
<@565177355111497738> Really cool theory but is there any reason to believe that's the case
@!GPT when people take pictures of objects in space they often have a specific purpose or data they want to capture, or have some kind of limitation. They deliberately are setting exposures that don't capture the stars
<@565177355111497738> I've read all of this stuff before and while very cool and fantastical none of it is _reasonable_
@Hamburger Guy careful, debating actual experimental procedure here feels out of place. Too hard
@Hamburger Guy Sorry I probably shouldn't have
@Human Sheeple Jesus christ Sheeple do you want to slow it down a bit?
@Hamburger Guy Most of his messages are over the top sarcastic so I'd guess he believes in a God
@Hamburger Guy You could just easily argue they're as heretical as any other sect on Earth
@!GPT You can't have singular experiments to describe something that big. Much like a legal case, there is no "GOTCHA". It has to be piles and piles of complementary evidence that may even form many variations upon the core theory, which is the case for the Big Bang Theory
@Hamburger Guy wait do you mean I don't exist so I can't be loved?
@Hamburger Guy Please I don't need an existential crisis at 1 AM
@!GPT Once again JAXA, a dictionary definition does not encompass the definition used by the scientific community
@Hamburger Guy I've never had a hamburger, can you convince me to try one?
@!GPT laptops are okay for work but I'd pick desktop every time
@!GPT I use a laptop for my work at NASA, they can run photoshop perfectly fine 😛
That's a long exposure picture, what are you trying to prove?
@!GPT what about it? I'd assume it's a composite picture
@!GPT I'll take that into consideration next time I'm doctoring a photo. I thought I'd done a better job
<@565177355111497738> You mean how the Nazis allegedly had connections to occult ideas?
@!GPT The budget is being redistributed to different areas of NASA, mostly military contracts
@!GPT most people eat it up so we say it's good enough
<@565177355111497738> Absolutely the huge drive to visit the moon was cold war sentiment
@!GPT Marvel has always been thoroughly average, hot take
I can't wait for you to see when Thor gives his mantle to a woman
Hello from the other side of the globe my brother
@Drrakw hell yeah brother keen for the final season?
@Barra Nah aussies can get fucked, bunch of idiots
@DOWN SPECIAL Gaara was objectively the worst jinchuuriki change my mind
@Barra Anyone who tends to believe in that relies on creation theory for that note
@Human Sheeple iirc they found a lake under the surface on mars recently
@パートナーキラー it's providing a lot of entertainment man don't kill my vibe
We've already had that earlier today don't worry man
Btw how does someone get verified as a NASA sympathiser (mainstream)?
Is that actually it? I can probably scrounge up a funding pay stub if my files aren't all gone
I'm pro gun because I want the freedom to be able to blow my brains out in a few years
But, riddle me this @Human Sheeple if gravity is just a theory how do I hang myself?
@Do Androids Beat Electric Meat? Dude that is an epic name, respect
I swore I got out an F bomb just minutes ago, then got warned for it now
I don't even know these candy bars you're talking about
@Seeker of Truth normally I'm open minded but that looks ripe for capital punishment
We never get any of the cool candy here in down under
Nah but peanuts on the right kind of donut is amazing I can confirm
@Q7W There's a variety of claims, it differs from Flat Earther to Flat Earther
@republicus Are you actually a geocentrist truther? That's more unique than I usually see here
@republicus what I mean is, what is it that makes you say polaris supports a geocentric model?
Are you saying that it can't possibly stay in position because the earth changes tilt?
All known history is a very, _very_ short time celestially
I'm sorry I might just be stupid but I'm not understanding what you're saying? The fact that Polaris is so many light years away is exactly why the relatively minor variations in position due to our orbit does not matter. And the shifting of our axial tilt is over a span of much further than our recorded history
@Muncher no worries lol. I'm new and I don't know anyone here
@Muncher Haha thank you, no worries I already made a few last night
@republicus solar days are a bit longer than 24 iirc but for timekeeping yes
@republicus you mean if we move 4368 hours ahead?
@Muncher when I eventually kill myself I'll use a nicer method than bleach
@republicus not in terms of time keeping. When we keep time we use exactly 24 hours in a day, but a full rotation is not exactly 24 hours
btw if I disappear suddenly, I'm at work so I apologise in advance
Yes but because we are only 1 AU away from the sun the movement due to orbit is important
@republicus I'm not over complicating it at all, there are many minor variations in position due to things that occur over vast periods of time, such is the nature of the generally understood (shill) model of the universe
Many reductions in complexity, such as "a day is 24 hours exactly" is done precisely because it is accurate enough for it's purpose. Even then we have leap years to deal with the differences
@Muncher bully me some more Astra it gets me hard
Does anyone know how you get verified mainstream?
@republicus yes because we choose to calculate days as 24 hours for ease, differences in time to the solar day are accounted for after the fact
@republicus would you rather have that constant shift in time or just affix the time system to be reliable?
@Ætos yeah sorry I'm not smart enough to articulate what I'm trying to say, I don't know what he is arguing
Encyclopedia Dramatica is a very notorious humour site lol, I'm not sure what posting it here is meant to do
I'll just restate what I and Ætos said: a full rotation is a considered a day, but a day in terms of the time we keep is not the same as a solar day, that is subject to variation.
So then here is the issue, when you ask what "time" it will be in 182 days, you are talking about 182 solar days (aka rotations) but then asking about the TIME, which is **NOT** measured in terms of rotations
We don't presume a day is a full rotation in terms of time, that is my point
A day in terms of _time_ is 24 hours, which is _not_ a full rotation
Which is the reason often when you're discussion rotational days vs time keeping, we refer to a full rotation as a _solar day_ rather than just day
Is what noon? When the clock reads 12:00 yes that is considered noon
Best guess? Could be anything, it's too specific to calculate. Stuff like that varies a lot
If you mean what time is it 182 days later, when by day you mean lots of 24 hours, then of course it is noon
But that isn't the same thing as saying 182 rotations
@Human Sheeple why do you assume you would feel the rotation if it is slow enough?
@Human Sheeple stars rotating is the simplest and most repeatedly observed basic phenomenon
@republicus we observe the days to be 24 hours per day for convenience and because of tradition. But I will say it again, this is _not_ the same as a day in terms of rotation
@republicus again, this seems to be a misunderstanding you have about precision. A full orbit around the sun isn't even 364 days (which is implied by a half orbit at 182). It's about 365.3
@republicus Okay so to be clear, you're saying that you mean in 182 lots of 24 hour days it will be noon?
@republicus You're absolutely correct about that. But 24 hours is not a full rotation of the earth
@republicus He doesn't often elaborate on anything he says, asking for clarification won't help
@Bear. What if my floor is a rotating stripper stage? Checkmate
@Human Sheeple you can balance a spirit level on a basketball
@republicus I'm in the mainstream role so they can clearly see we don't agree
@Human Sheeple hold up are you saying the laser level test doesn't prove a round earth because lasers curve up?
@megᵏᶻ quick join the lounge voice chat we have someone who wants to talk to you
@megᵏᶻ He told me to tell you because he got muted, idk y
@✧Mike Flatbird (Mike Blackbird)✧ if it means anything I did hear him telling them to stop
Can someone please just verify me as mainstream 😢
@megᵏᶻ It's just his culture pls no disrespect
Ey it's my favourite mic deepthroater @Vondoomen
@Vondoomen Absolutely, papa miyazaki is my idol
I'll do both but I'll only marry white holes sorry not sorry
Turtwig is objectively the best, because the flat earth is held up on the back of a turtle
@Off Brand Timmies edit that back and send pics
@Off Brand Timmies Hold up are you >= 18 years old?
@Off Brand Timmies It was just a suggestion mate no need to be rude
@Off Brand Timmies Idk I'm just bored and it seemed like something to say
@Off Brand Timmies Work is almost done so I can't wait to get home
@Abe Lover Connor was going to give me nudes but he backtracked
@Abe Lover I'm a shill so it's in my nature sorry mate
But speaking of ice boxes I gotta go grab a beer
The last time you misspelled something you ended up in the ice box so maybe be careful yes 😛
Yeah I try to remain calm. I just want my verification, I feel vulnerable with this dark blue name
I got Cherry Blues so I have to keep muting when I type
I only have a 60% keyboard I don't have any free keys lmao
@Off Brand Timmies I'm using that right now lol
@Seeker of Truth hey why are we posting our fantasy novels in the chat?
@Off Brand Timmies I'm at work shilling for big pharma I can't vc
I went into a walmart for the first time when I visited America
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