You can judge all you want, but unless you were at the scene, it is useless

Yes, which is why you simply just need to stop by and ask if they need help

As shown, she hadn't even done that. She kept walking

That is the issue

She completely ignored it entirely

I took an EMR class, the one fucking thing you shouldn't do when faced with a situation like this is walk away

But you took an EMR class

She may not have and thus wouldn't know that

That is the part that is inexcusable, no matter who you are or what you believe in

At LEAST call 911 or whatever the number is over in the UK

Someone already appears to be doing so

Doesn't matter

But did you take a sociology class or whatever you call it? A class on how people think,

?*

Clogging up the emergency services for something already reported is even more dangerous

Negative

They'd rather hear a bunch of reports on the same thing than none at all

It happens all the time

I'm 100% sure the paramedics were already aware

They aren't hearing none at all

The woman on the phone MUST have been doing that

And yes, clogging up the NHS is a dangerous thing to do

I'm a volunteer EMT dude, trust me, they'd rather hear too many reports than none

I work directly with 911 dispatchers

And again, they didn't hear none

How did she know that?

She didn't stop to ask.

Because she probably heard the woman calling 999

They heard none from the lady walking away :^)

Exactly^^^

They also heard none from the people at the scene

Who weren't on phones

Who still had stopped to ask and stand by in case help was needed

That's the point I'm trying to prove, and you just validated it

Nobody there waas calling emergency services

And that woman just walked past

There's a lady there calling on her phone

You just said there wasn't.

I don't know whether you commented about this but there was a couple walking away jn this photo

This woman is on her phone

One is fucking blowing her nose

That's not exactly "helping" is it

If you get the closeup, the two at the back are having a chat

:)

Yes, and if the situation wasn't under control there and they didn't stop to see if help was needed, then they are as guilty too

So why only single out this one woman?

Or perhaps they stopped on their own will (they didn't ask) and just stood there

I don't mean to single her out

I mean in general terms, you should never walk away from a scene such as this

I'm making reference to the people who are hounding her on social media

or walk past without doing anything, rather

Not anyone here

The only thing she is doing wrong in this photo is being on her phone. She had her reasons for walking away.

Also it appears that, in the other one you posted, that there was some form of police on the scene

Police,

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Based off the stopped, empty truck in the road and the man that appears to be a cop right behind the corner of the ledge, though I might be wrong on that

Wait which photo

That doesn't look like a police van

But it does appear that someone with atleast basic first aid training is attending

And there are no police in this photo as they should be in uniform

Are you positive? Not even a special type? Over here in the US cop cars are looking more and more like normal unmarked cars, I'm unsure if similar things go on in the UK

It should be white

The only thing that perhaps could be taken in consideration is how the armed police look

They're not the standard

But again, I don't see guns

I wouldn't expect the armed police to be handling this either

They'd be at Parliament

Wasn't this event around there?

Most of the carnage happened on the bridge

I can't judge from this photo and view

Which is why people would be rushing to get off

Anyway here is the lady's statement:
'I'm shocked and totally dismayed at how a picture of me is being circulated on social media.
'To those individuals who have interpreted and commented on what my thoughts were in that horrific and distressful moment, I would like to say not only have I been devastated by witnessing the aftermath of a shocking and numbing terror attack, I've also had to deal with the shock of finding my picture plastered all over social media by those who could not look beyond my attire, who draw conclusions based on hate and xenophobia.
'My thoughts at that moment were one of sadness, fear, and concern.
'What the image does not show is that I had talked to other witnesses to try and find out what was happening, to see if I could be of any help, even though enough people were at the scene tending to the victims.
'I then decided to call my family to say that I was fine and was making my way home from work, assisting a lady along the way by helping her get to Waterloo station.
'My thoughts go out to all the victims and their families. I would like to thank Jamie Lorriman, the photographer who took the picture, for speaking to the media in my defence'.

She says she spoke to other witnesses

That wraps it up

Alright, while I'm personally skeptical since it sounds more like it was just the other random stander-by-ers being asked rather than the ones actually helping the man, I can at least accept that answer

I honestly wouldn't even call it a terror attack

It definitely has instilled some terror

It makes me think that if guns were legal in the UK

It would have been much more severe

I'd say we're lucky he was only wielding a knife

And a car

Yes that too

BAN CARS

Yeah well that too

That's not to say that an organised group wouldn't be able to attain guns however

But yeah, I guess 40 wounded and 5 dead (last I heard) is pretty lucky

:^)

Last I heard as 4 including the attacker

Was*

It went up to 5

I think someone's life support was shut off

I think if guns were legal in the UK it either wouldnt have happened or people could have defended themselves.

Against a car maybe not

Against the man who was stabbed.

The officer who was wounded was armed I'm fairly sure

I could be wrong on that however

I doubt it, very few officers in the UK carry guns

I think

correct me if I'm wrong I don't know shit about that island

officers around Parliament tend to

Pretty sure he was just your standard patrol cop

Anyway, something quite similar almost happened pretty recently

A Trump Supporter almost got stabbed by some fanatic anti-Trump but was stopped in his tracks by the guy who just so happened to be carrying.

I correct myself the officer was unarmed

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[11:03 AM] Megumin: I think if guns were legal in the UK it either wouldnt have happened or people could have defended themselves.
[11:03 AM] Papa Pope Doge II: Against a car maybe not
[11:04 AM] Megumin: Against the man who was stabbed.
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Well, do you really think that if guns were legal, the offender would be just carrying a knife? Do you really think that guns prevent such thing? How many mass shooting there was in the US with far more victims than this event that happened in the UK?

The thing is, UK is secluded from other countries, it has no direct border and they can prevent most of the gun entering the country. What that wouldn't be possible in the US is very much possible there. I think their ban is pretty efficient...

^

if guns were legal in bongistan then ISIS and cohorts would be the first to obtain them, and on a larger scale than they have now

Do you really think that banning guns is better than allowing civillians to protect themselves?

Ask any American police officer, they almost always recommend people to carry because they simply can't react fast enough to a situation

There is almost ALWAYS around a 30 minute wait time for police response, because they can't just "Appear"

Also I do believe the rate of violent crime in the UK is in fact HIGHER than it is in the US, although committed with murder weapons other than firearms, do correct me if I'm wrong though.

US states with less restrictions are also statistically safer than others.

I personally believe there's a correlation

You believe the rate of violent crime in the UK is higher than it is in the US?

Last I checked, do correct me if I'm wrong.

I need to check myself, it is correct, that actually shocks me.

Forgive me for using someone else's argument but I think Skallagrim is a pretty sensible person, and he words things better than I do so here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxIIIRnVeTw

Total violent crime in the UK is roughly 3 times more than in US

But the murder rate is far lower

That's why we resort to fisticuffs

The video you posted contains a lot of poorly made arguments, especially in the case of the terror attacks like what happenned in London. Like why would a soldier or a cop should be able to carry a weapon and a civilian not. The most important thing to note here is that soldier and cops are trained with weapons (and if they aren't, there's something wrong with your country), not every civilian are and they can misuse, have their weapon taken away and used against them, etc. Guns serve as a deterence in most of the cases but that doesn't apply to terrorists. Terrorists are mostly fanatics that don't care about dying. They aims for crowded places to makes a lot of victims. What do you think would happen if non-trained civilians would use their firearms in crowded area? Finally, his whole arguments doesn't really apply to a country where a ban is already in place and criminals have it hard to find firearms like the UK.

What you seems to not understand @VInyl is the fact that if you allow gun, criminals have access to them too. Civilians can't defend and shoot at offenders faster than their bullets (especially in the case where they use automatic, assault rifles and the likes), it would most of the time result in way more casualties. There's other way to defend yourself against some terrorist who doesn't have a firearm than shooting him. The whole thing in London was made by a guy with a knife and a car, he killed 5 people and injured some others. How many would have died and be serverly injured if he had a m16/ak74 or the like, even with civilian carrying guns? As dune said, there's less murder in the UK even though the violent crime is higher. Such ban would be a non sense in the US as people would easily access to firearms anyway and it would impede the civilians defense. But it seems to be efficiant over there. You can't apply your logic of everyone can be a law enforcer to the rest of the world.

One last thing @VInyl. Gun control isn't necessarily about banning guns but regulating their possession. I think it would be really beneficial to check on people background and to train them in firearms uses before allowing them to own a gun.

^

Did someone post in here?

All I'm saying is, damned if you do, damned if you don't @VInyl

wow

i agree with that towelie

don't tread on me

https://youtu.be/e-BZylziBKI

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"Donald Trump blames Democrats for stunning failure to repeal Obamacare"
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"After weeks of contentious negotiations over the American Health Care Act (AHCA), Republicans had to admit defeat as they could not gain sufficient support from their own side for the plan to overhaul US health insurance."
I'm already confused

"If they didn't make the bill so good, we would have been able to repeal it by now"

is that an hidden compliment or does he admit his own failure ?

^ no irony

I don't understand the "if they didn't make the bill so good" part

is it good ? or is it just too hard for him to repeal ?

https://cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/27/politics/trump-climate-change-executive-order/index.html

CNN? 🤔

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@Tech Talk Where can i buy this? 😂

Typical, burn everything someone you don't agree with says because you can't stand listening to differing opinions and having civil conversation about it.

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And now for the real news

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How do you keep diversity to only 'your own truly peaceful, respectful cultural and religious values'

It doesn't sound very diverse if it's only your own

the best future is international cooperation between nationstates that seek to preserve their cultural and ethnic essence

being able to enjoy sushi if you're australian isnt true diversity, but just appreciating and cooperating with japanese people and culture. The bad diversity is the one where both perish when they fuse, very sad

the bad diversity is also when either of the species turn gay and refuse to give new life

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@a lone father k

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nation seeking to preserve their cultural and ethic essence are nationalists nations... food for thoughts : https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nationalism

a random quote to make my point :
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Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - Albert Einstein
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@Alibaba o u really r a cheeky one

@Towelie blah, Einstein was a dumy head :^)

sure thing...

there's one country that comes to mind when you think about extreme nationalism

it's north korea.

they go all the way and try to be auto suffisant. It's cool, until civilian dies of hunger because of the famine

I think we need to distinguish between juche extremism with my desired form of nationalism

I do distinguish between both, it's was just a living example of what nationalism could do if you go into extremes

a lot of pro-nationalism people complains about the globalisation, factories delocalisation to other countries, etc

And a living example of my effective form is literally the fact of the beautiful diversity of cultures, races and ideas all around us.

that's a first step in that direction

There's a nuance for the word race that doesn't seem to be applied in english.

for me, a race is defined for domestical and agricultural animals only

I talk about genotypes and ethnic groups for humans

Slippery slope bub, I'm not arguing for hyper protectionism, and the threat of that mentality developing is eh at bet

race for me is just the means of taxonomically distinguish separated groups of humans by evolution.

I disregard moral sentiments

scientifically, that word is wrongly used in english though as the difference in genotypes and phenotypes isn't enough to warrant a separted race

plus, a race is the biology name for a group of animal that can reproduces between them

for me, if the word race could be used for humans, there would be only one race, the human one

but that's a detail

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/275686777560236044/297175828465319938/discussion.png

That's a linguistic issue which norm person probably doesn't care for, and doesn't really have much to do with my desire to preserve ethnic groups, unless you're making that argument that the differentiation is so small that we shouldn't acknowledge race

that was the point yeah

I agree with difference in cultures and ideas, not in races

but as you said, it's a linguistic issue

which is a fair point but I think that differentiation is more significant than what people think. Race is tied to culture pretty strongly, and it doesn't take long at all for a neurological state for a lineage to change based on external pressure.

after all, Ashkenazi IQ increased an average of 30 points in only several centuries

depends a lot, you can't tell how someone from a certain ethnic group was educated

and Ashkenazi iQ is in the double digits higher than other Jewish ethnic groups in Israel

almost all politicians in Israel are Ashkenazi, so I think denying race as insignificant is silly dum dum

and all that was based on averages on a selected group of people

it's not representative of every single person of the said group

correct, outliers is a beautiful thing, which makes it so Thomas Sowell can exist

but median is median

as I said, that median was calculated on a reduced number of the said group

medians can tells all and everything depending on why they were done 😉

Well ok I guess you can reduce this to "well I mean those sample sizes may not be 100% correct cause they didn't look at 100% of people".

but looking at a diverse selection of tens of thousands of participants is pretty strong

that's not really the question.

imo

why those number were calculated to begin with is the real question 😉

really ?

plus IQ doesn't determine one's intellect if you want to go that way

I hope you don't do this to every study you disagree with

it only really test the speed at which you solve "simple" problems

I don't, I tend to stay critical, even though I could agree with the study

Correct, studies also show basic behaviour is genetic as well though

basic personality types aren't learned mostly, but inherited. There was a landmark study done in America where they compared adopted children to their biological and adopted parents

99% or more showed stronger correlations with their actual parents based on intelligent and life experiences

very interesting

yes, it has to do with epigenetic for the most part

as, how one was educated

epigentics is externalities "activating" genes

so like, yeah, if you had the power o be super intelligent

but never went to school

you'd likely not have a great potentiality to unlock your potential

yup

but that intelligent gene is physiological, not learned

to stay simple, it's pretty much that yes

I doubt there's a gene for "intelligence" though, no matter what kind of test you agree with that determine the said intellect level

so if a majority of your character is determined by a preset trait sheet inherited by your parents, how doth "race" not come into this?

Also yeah you're correct

intelligence is a number of things

ranging from abstract thought, logic, etc

there's several other factors that can make someone intelligent

curiosity, motivations, etc

also inherited traits

yes, but all in all, every single one of those traits doesn't warrant a notion of race for me

ethnical genes are a thing

So you occupy that position due to more morality?

not really morality, but you could always see too people of the same ethical group with completly different traits

Ye, I see everyone as individuals

but I also see everyone as organisms as well

I rate based on values

trust me I'm not a crazy person

who hates black people

well, people hating on other ethincal groups aren't crazy but uneducated imho

correct, though tribalism is unfortunately a natural inclination

which tends to diminish in educated area

Kojima even tackles this, he more swinger toward it being due to memes

nah even in intellectual circles there is tribalism

intellectual != educated for me