Message from @dunce
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Anyway, something quite similar almost happened pretty recently
A Trump Supporter almost got stabbed by some fanatic anti-Trump but was stopped in his tracks by the guy who just so happened to be carrying.
I correct myself the officer was unarmed
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[11:03 AM] Megumin: I think if guns were legal in the UK it either wouldnt have happened or people could have defended themselves.
[11:03 AM] Papa Pope Doge II: Against a car maybe not
[11:04 AM] Megumin: Against the man who was stabbed.
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Well, do you really think that if guns were legal, the offender would be just carrying a knife? Do you really think that guns prevent such thing? How many mass shooting there was in the US with far more victims than this event that happened in the UK?
The thing is, UK is secluded from other countries, it has no direct border and they can prevent most of the gun entering the country. What that wouldn't be possible in the US is very much possible there. I think their ban is pretty efficient...
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if guns were legal in bongistan then ISIS and cohorts would be the first to obtain them, and on a larger scale than they have now
Do you really think that banning guns is better than allowing civillians to protect themselves?
Ask any American police officer, they almost always recommend people to carry because they simply can't react fast enough to a situation
There is almost ALWAYS around a 30 minute wait time for police response, because they can't just "Appear"
Also I do believe the rate of violent crime in the UK is in fact HIGHER than it is in the US, although committed with murder weapons other than firearms, do correct me if I'm wrong though.
US states with less restrictions are also statistically safer than others.
I personally believe there's a correlation
You believe the rate of violent crime in the UK is higher than it is in the US?
Last I checked, do correct me if I'm wrong.
I need to check myself, it is correct, that actually shocks me.
Forgive me for using someone else's argument but I think Skallagrim is a pretty sensible person, and he words things better than I do so here:
Total violent crime in the UK is roughly 3 times more than in US
But the murder rate is far lower
The video you posted contains a lot of poorly made arguments, especially in the case of the terror attacks like what happenned in London. Like why would a soldier or a cop should be able to carry a weapon and a civilian not. The most important thing to note here is that soldier and cops are trained with weapons (and if they aren't, there's something wrong with your country), not every civilian are and they can misuse, have their weapon taken away and used against them, etc. Guns serve as a deterence in most of the cases but that doesn't apply to terrorists. Terrorists are mostly fanatics that don't care about dying. They aims for crowded places to makes a lot of victims. What do you think would happen if non-trained civilians would use their firearms in crowded area? Finally, his whole arguments doesn't really apply to a country where a ban is already in place and criminals have it hard to find firearms like the UK.
What you seems to not understand @VInyl is the fact that if you allow gun, criminals have access to them too. Civilians can't defend and shoot at offenders faster than their bullets (especially in the case where they use automatic, assault rifles and the likes), it would most of the time result in way more casualties. There's other way to defend yourself against some terrorist who doesn't have a firearm than shooting him. The whole thing in London was made by a guy with a knife and a car, he killed 5 people and injured some others. How many would have died and be serverly injured if he had a m16/ak74 or the like, even with civilian carrying guns? As dune said, there's less murder in the UK even though the violent crime is higher. Such ban would be a non sense in the US as people would easily access to firearms anyway and it would impede the civilians defense. But it seems to be efficiant over there. You can't apply your logic of everyone can be a law enforcer to the rest of the world.
One last thing @VInyl. Gun control isn't necessarily about banning guns but regulating their possession. I think it would be really beneficial to check on people background and to train them in firearms uses before allowing them to own a gun.
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Did someone post in here?
wow
i agree with that towelie
don't tread on me
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"Donald Trump blames Democrats for stunning failure to repeal Obamacare"
https://cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/24/republican-healthcare-plan-bill-vote-pulled-obamacare-trump
"After weeks of contentious negotiations over the American Health Care Act (AHCA), Republicans had to admit defeat as they could not gain sufficient support from their own side for the plan to overhaul US health insurance."
I'm already confused
"If they didn't make the bill so good, we would have been able to repeal it by now"
is that an hidden compliment or does he admit his own failure ?
^ no irony
I don't understand the "if they didn't make the bill so good" part
is it good ? or is it just too hard for him to repeal ?
CNN? 🤔