Oh god what did I walk into

I can do superficially politically related things if that's less upsetting

Either embrace it or well, ignore it.

At least we can claim that we got some diversity here lol.

What is so important about diversity?

Nothing, but people complain about the lack of it

Diversity of opinion and ideas seems fairly positive

So its good to havr a cover story

Diversity in ideas seems to come naturally

Boom, they are now waycist

But diversity in appearance seems a bit pointless

Yeah.

Diversity in the case of importing refugees puts an imbalance on natural diversity

Which is why shit hit the fan

"We want diversity in genetics!"
"so you just want people who are not the product of incest, then"

It's superficial diversity. Easier to accomplish, and doesn't necessarily stimulate critical analysis

It fits in perfectly with the postmodern train of thought

"diversity" is just moral pandering for politicians to get their ways

Dude tou are all preaching to the choir.

Which borders nihilism, if you ask me

Im just joking that superficial diversity is what the leftists value. Hence I joking said that we can avoid the purge by pretending to be.

Democrats say muh diversity to moral pander making them look like the good guys to garner more votes. It's the entire basis of their platform as of now

You may have been joking, but you're probably correct. lol

i'm wondering how long before members of the authoritarian left start saying kill the jews based off the idea that there are a lot of jews in positions of power that the alt-right likes to point out. And the happened to be white for the most part and straight.

oh, and male

I think I saw some of that ideology breaking through a week ag.o It was

pretty funny

like, i really just want to see them try to call people nazi's and say gas the jews. Like really bad. because they really are close

Especially with them not being pro israel (probably one of the only few things rattling around in their heads worth a damn)

I feel that the progressive/authoritarian left's ideology exists in a quantum superstate

It's "probability" not an idea

thats pretty much what all ideology is

like one person posted an opinion piece in their school paper that said whites are genetically defective and a leftist professor once tweeted "all i want to Christmas is a white genocide" (claiming it was ironic, but dear god, imagine if it was black genocide)

Oh god lol, this is the different kind of anarchy

like, they have members so close to being straight up nazi's in everything but name.

Its like having a class in a cokehouse.

i'm just waiting for the anti-nazi's to start saying gas the jews. Then i can die laughing in the irony

The problem is using old terminology, like Nazi and communism

Thet already hate them. Look at how they treated Melania, Milo and Shapiro.

i know

They have so much associations that aren't necessarily factual, but emotional

but they still look at gas the jews as "bad"

They're directly shaped by their times

Like they have no issue with demonizing an entire demographic.

Neo-nazi is also a dumb term, unless it's used before the 80s

The problem is the left (that we're talking about) can't argue worth shit. Their entire ideology is based off of moral highgrounding. They'll literally throw out facts if it hurts someones feelings

At least Trump acknowleges tha some of the illegal migrants were decent folk.

That guy who got arrested for the nazi pug, asks the question. Does a dog have freedom of speech or does it's owner get Punished for it

moral high-ground they don't hold when condemning an entire race of people as well as half the population of earth.

females, the only minority that is 51% of the earths population

They have no issue demonizing an entire demographic but one of their biggest arguments is to not demonize against demographics

Yeah.

@GingaBomber clearly that is fake news. Just like when trump condemned the violence of the left and right.

What about the name **Probabilitarian** to describe the alt right (before it became synonymous with neo-nazi to the MSM and general public.)

I think we're transitioning into a new hyper-honest time period. Complete opposite of post-modernism.

he thinks all immigrants are bad and the right is fine. clearly

Oh lol poes law in action

It's an inherently positive sounding word, right?

I like how the alt-right were a different thing before the MSM got a hold of it. It was, at least as how I remembered it, simply an anti-leftist group.

they've effectively made it unironically nazism lite

Alt lite last I heard as well.

Yeah, so **Probabilitarian** could make a good moniker

maybe

alt lite is basically people like Lauren Southern that just simplify alt right ideas so they can sell it

It's from a survey of the most positive words, in sound and meaning

2016-ish

what is it supposed to be in reference to?

the memey movement that was before known as alt right

Oh shit

I just find it silly as well, I mean I am sure tim has an audience within the alt right.

I meant Possibilitarian

ere is the actual philosophy in Mr. Peale's own words: “I challenge you to become a possibilitarian. No matter how dark things seem to be or actually are, raise your sights and see the possibilities – always see them, for they are always there.” The root meaning of the word possible is “capable of making happen”

But thats just guilt by assosciation

it sounds more like just a rule of thumb than an ideology

The difference in meaning to progressives is that it is grounded moreso in being capable of making happen

Not "trying with insufficient knowledge and assumptions"

Yeah, it does seem more like a rule of thumb. I guess I just liked the word

Progressives seem to just want to change whatever moral structures they deem "outdated"

It's an escalation of liberalism, like communism is to socialism

Makes sense that they're the other end of conservatism

Or just like the puritians but more leftist

Degenerates?

That'd be the opposite, right?

Well tell me what your definition of liberalism is

Well forcing rules on others. Being moral busy bodies

I'd say liberalism is a generally positive demeanor to altering existing social constructs and laws to allow more people to feel more freedom in the way they live their life

That's authrotianism if your forcing rules on others, not liberalism

https://scontent.fluk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26230351_577394872652716_6452651993878109720_n.jpg?oh=a9a311f4d7605ccad4235ee0bd11fbc3&oe=5AEBF416

Through democracy?

Oh referencing the puritans

I wouldn't say progressivism is an escalation of liberalism as progressivism seems fine with barring previous freedoms in favor of their own definition of "progress"

Through democracy is the more complex bit

Like how we have them on both ends

if they think shutting down this one freedom to protect what they think the future will look like they will

Let's get some extreme polar opposites, for some ground

And for such superficial reasons.

it's generally because it makes them feel good lol

How is "oh, you might offend this group of people", any different from, "oh, you might offend the government?"

Being steadfast in retaining and preserving the social and political structure as it is

it's warped hypocritical liberalism. Not liberalism pushed to an extreme

Regardless of any possible improvements that may be introduced

OR

A group of people have a face while the government doesn't; if you know what I mean

Stay caused it worked before or change cause it might be for the better

Being breaking down any boundaries that are, regardless of their protection or importance and stability they may provide

Everything is relevant and therefore everyone has equal power

Those are the two polar opposites, right?

yeah pretty much

So where is the common ground in these two

Assuming horse shoe theory

preserving certain values that help benefit or don't harm while getting rid of values that don't benefit and may harm

Wanting to exist and retain existence

the problem is some values may seem harmful or inane but do more than that is apparent

and some values can be taken too far and become abusive

Well, there's also trying to change stuff without fully understanding what you're even trying to change. A perfect example of this is "the wage gap", wherein women make less money than men. It's easy to look at this and go "oh well that isn't right, we need to fix this."
The problem comes into play when no one bothers asking or looking into *why* this is the case.

Still. Maybe cause it moved ftom change since you hate what it was before to,change cause it benefits me or cause it makes me feel good.

Yeah that's mostly moral arbiting, jaden

not critisizing anyone, trying to follow this conversation, but i really dont know what anyone is talking about. like i know what your saying but im not sure what it relates to, and looking up through the chat didint help me figure out

You can make a group of people feel like they're doing what is morally good by supporting you. That's the democrats platform these days

Probably what its always been for all I know

It's the strong, supportive patriarchal figure and the protective, quixotic matriarchal figure

I think it's just a general conversation about ideas, I'm not sure what the precise topic of discussion is. lol

mostly discussing what consists of progressivism i guess

You need both to be in some sort of balance

mk

yeah it's not "out with the old, in with the new" it's "out with the structurally unsound, in with the structurally sound/beneficial"

a problem the current meme left struggle with

depends on who's using the word progressive

that follows its origenal context, where the term progressive developted during the monopoly and trust busting era of usa politics in the late 1800's

political definitions are such a pain in the ass

If you'd imagine the conservative and progressive as a male and female character trying to sustain their relationship/household but also their own dreams

progressivism is more of a direction than a set idea. In 100 years what will be progressive will be different from now or 100 years before

Same as conservative

It's relevant to the structure of society

Fundamentalists are like what came before that

Going back to the absolute bedrock of the society

i think conservitism can actually replace progressivism with the definition of "out with the less structurally sound/in with the more structurally sound" but from a different perspective "keep the more structurally sound/let go of the less structurally sound"

This is why the exact word used is absolutely integral. People will see the word and have to know what the idea is with it or make assumptions about what it is.

That's why I usually avoid the established terms

Because of their connotations, which aren't always descriptive of the original meaning

Yeah while progressivism is a moving word conservitism can be seen as a standing word if you look at them like that

It also makes for much nicer conversation

Conservatism is a stranding word

Fundamentalist would be the standing word

Also why I don't like the "left/right" divide. Makes it way too easy to discredit someone elses ideas simply because they use a word they identify with.

There's also a different meaning here in Europe

left/right

Yeah, like being on the right or left is supposed to be an inherently bad thing? It makes no sense. lol

From what I've heard other American pallerinos

I heard my mom say something like "isn't he a republican though?" or some shit like that. Like why does it matter which letter he has next to his name if he has good ideas.

The two party system was a dumb idea to reinforce, mang

Right - more control to private sector

Left - more control to governments

In theory.

In practice, they're both bought out by busniesses and monied interests, so it's moot.

While the left around the Iraq war was completely against the government. These ideas shift

Yeah

That's the horseshoe theory

They end up in the same place

it's like if the horseshoe was made of mercury

You need a constant flux

You can't stay in the middle

I thought the horseshoe theory was that the extremes of the right and left, in terms of ideology, is that they end up in the same place?

Well, yeah

Their extremes

I was talking purely about money in politics.

it's that they're fundamentally the same

It's all nepotism

Because of our lame social nature

perceive it as you will

There's a difference, though

One comes from the production of goods/services

The other comes from the escalation of power of those manufacturers

I think arguing definitions is a good way to miss the point though

It's all cyclical, because products and ideas go obsolete

Yeah, good point. It's a superficial issue at best

Just avoid using the established and dusty/stagnant political monikers and explain your fundamental issues like you would to a four year old

Minus the somewhat denigrating tone of voice

People don't seem to appreciate that

yeah pretty much lol. Just saying "oh I'm a libertarian" leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Just say what you believe in pertaining to the relevant issue

Remember Trump's run in the 2000s?

nope

He withdrew from the race

Because of infighting of his party "The Reform Party"

He expressed his concerns by referring to David Duke, Pat Buchanan, and Lenora Fulani as a Klansman, a Neo-Nazi, and a Communist, respectively.

"Drrumff **never** even disavowed David Duke! What a racist."

Lol he mentored HRC

The human rights commission?

I'm a europoor, please be patient

Hillary rodham clinton

David duke

OH, right

Thwres a meme of him kissing her, and a pic next to it of him with his klans garb

It's alright, though.

Hillary puts hot sauce on **everything**

And always carries some in her handbag.

Well. I dont even understand what she meant to convey with that.

I,mean at least Trump enjoys things like we all want to, like lol, a burger in japan that was amazing actually.

something about like mexicans eat spicy food or whatever lol

it was so weird

"Just chill in cedar rapids"

Wait that was her thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGsngd7cZY

And I thought PokemonGo to the polls was cringy

shes so weird

Like a robot.

its like if some AI tried to be a cool hip teen from a year or two ago

I've had some really based burgers in Japan

I liked when she dabbed on fuckin Ellens show

Oh god wtf..

Well says alot when repubs try to pander to working class and buisness owners.

And well dems with what? HS and college students, single moms and minorities.

they should be pandering to people in the middle. Don't get why youd pander to people wholl already vote for you

Killery Clinton didn't understand this and trump did

Hmm good point actually.

Or pander to the people with real proplems

Yeah.

Not saying minorities had no problens. But theres heck alot more disgrunted white working americans than there are ghetto blacks wanting free stuff forever.

for the votes

Reminds me how they said that the signs will be removed by july.

Someonw verify that.

they were paper? http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/california-now-confirms-up-to-five-prank-sanctuary-state-signs-posted-across-the-state/article/2644745

Well, any harder and it would have been something prosecutavle.

It's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil, ginga. It's easy to see black people living in their own shit with detroit and all but very few eyes on rural Appalachia

or shitty areas of Ohio you know the general poor white people areas

So saying that the blacks complained more or something?

another page that says they were paper http://kxan.com/2018/01/03/fake-highway-signs-jab-at-new-california-immigration-law/

I would tell them to make more and keep posting them as long as they can

Well they probably do but it's easier to see that they have problems when they have A) better internet access for them to present their shit B) live in cities which are easier to visualize + higher population C) have the "dude racism" card

among other things

It's not quite as good as the "it's OK to be white" signs.

those were beautiful

That was amazing.

Removed for safety reasons..

Ah I understand

plus rap music

Reminds me actually.

ya they want MS13 to feel welcome

I remember reading boutt something like sanctuary cities in the bible

to watch a group have a fit over a sign that just says its okay to exist how you were born, then claim to not be racist and bigots, was just perfect.

Like basicLly if you killed someone, their kin has the right to cone after you.

But say it was an accident, like you ace head flew off and killed a bystander. A complete accident.

https://religionnews.com/2017/02/15/does-the-bible-really-advocate-sanctuary-cities/ ```When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, select some towns to be your cities of refuge, to which a person who has killed someone accidentally may flee. They will be places of refuge from the avenger, so that a person accused of murder may not die before he stands trial before the assembly. These six towns you give will be your cities of refuge … so that anyone who has killed another accidentally can flee there (Numbers 35:11-15)```

You could run to a designated town. So you could plead.

Yeah, it was to protect the person accused until the trial happened.

Does not make you innocent, just means that you,have a court to judge you.

that isn't happening in Cali though

innocent until proven guilty

Basically due process. Or innocence until proven guikty.

Yeah.