if healthcare is a human right

unfortunately, that is also the route we are going in California for example with mandatory [forced] vaccinations, etc bcuz that is really just a healthcare procedure. "you have a right to decide your healthcare" .... agreed. and the more choices, the better!

then people havea right to choose what they see as the right healthcare

and thus

anti vaxxers are protected

Oh, shit.

I swear tim raising a kid on nothing but essential oils and tofu is healthy

lol

ZQ, drink patchouli.

Well, we have vaccines mandatory here for the public safety. As people who don't vaccinate are potentional health risk to others.

what if my healthcare is that others pay for my entertainment, else i get depressed?

We've had some of that in Canadad too

At least the basic ones that is

kids were suspended by the thousands recently for not being vaccinated

caused a real stink

i see it this way: healthcare is not a human right, but it IS a human right to receive necessary medical treatment

That

kay

naw, i totally disagree with that. mandatory vaccines are a wreckless policy. im not going to get into a debate about this, but there is NO "consensus" about the safety of vaccines are they currently exist.

https://healthfreedomidaho.org/vaccine-court-has-paid-37-billion-in-damages-to-families

no, but they have saved more than they cost

Vaccinations have nearly eradicated certain diseases.

ppl get sick just from taking the vaccines themselves, and they even SPREAD the newly inoculated strain to others

You don't hear of anyone coming down with Polio anymore.

any medication has it's risk, vaccines as well

Should people be allowed to make bad choices for themselves?

if those choices don't affect others

I have never had a serious bout of the flu. I have also never taken a flu shot.

i say yes

if Im vaccinated I dont care if you get polio

I mean

it sucks

but i wont get it

so that risk should not be forced onto others... that is just wreckless! you have a RIGHT to say no!

you don't have the right to put other people in danger!

and that is exactly what you are doing by not getting vaccinated

They're not in danger if they're vaccinated.

i dont get flue shots any more... i was friends w/ a girl who took them ALL THE TIME ... and guess what she was SICK virtually all the time .... she got so regularly sick that should would have to go to the ER from seasonal flues

That's Tim's point.

If we make a Measles vaccine publicly available to those who want to take it

my sister almost DIED when she was a toddler bcuz of the 110+ degree fever that eruputed after she was vaccinated

and some portion of the population decide not to participate in the vaccination program

plus it does not make any logical sense ..... if you really believe in the efficacy of vaccines.... they why worry about unvaccinated ppl!

Being vaccinated doesn't mean you can't get ever ill again, it's just building your immune system to fight it so you are less suspectible to it.. or am I wrong ?

we know that there is a percentage that will die from vaccines

The refusal to take that vaccination doesn't endanger anyone but that group

but the collectivists think its worth i

it

they are a threat to people who can't be immunised

this sounds like an unreasonably high degree of incidents for such a small sample size

because there is a minimum age to get vaccinated

the whole thing is a scam to enrich big pharma and not to mention experiment on the population

Tim, you need run a debate livestream.

it also turns the frogs gay 😒

the whole "herd immunity" is just herd mentality if you ask me 😲

Just, like, moderate it thoroughly.

ah yes, the good ol' tale of how great times were before the scam that is vaccinations,

Where people lived to the ripe old age of

"Died in childbirth"

Get someone involved as a fact checker

if you really don't want to get vaccinated... stay away from kids, far far away.

i cannot even remember the last time i got the flu..... also cannot remember the last time i got a flu shot 😉

If you don't vaccinate and you get the illness isn't there risk of mutation that could endanger vaccinated people ?

well my mom has been a pack a day smoker since she was a teenager and she lived well past retirement age

i dont get sick either,

But guess what, thats cuz i'm indoors 90% of the time away from human contact

therefore cigarettes aren't bad for you

last time i had the flu was coincidentally before i got vaccinated...

The argument is getting a bit off in the weeds, though.

https://www.youtube.com/user/iHealthTube/search?query=flu+shot+vaccine

this is a really good resource that i highly recommend... all around great channel too

beat cancer with these foods

yeah im not buying it

man it's only 2 pm and today has been a gold mine, a "race realist" in sargons discord and now an anti-vaccer in tim's

The questions at hand are: Who is responsible for funding things deemed human rights (although I think that one's on it's way out) and Is it ethical to require others to vaccinate if persuing healthcare is a human right?

vaccines can spread diseases and not to mention create super-viruses if in the wrong hands.... the whole ebola outbreak was traced back to some Bill Gates foundation related public vaccination program in Africa .... cant remember the details exactly ... but far too dangerous....

Excess usage of antibiotics breed resistance to said antibiotics.

super viruses are made by managing a disease, and not cure it

the ebola outbreak was cuz these idiots in those countries hug and kiss the corpses of their loved ones before they bury them

I think the issues we have with the flu are that the Influenza virus has mutated into so many strains it's almost impossible to stop them all.

the real danger is the additives in the vaccines such as adjuvents, aborted fetal tissue, aluminum, MSG.... oh and MERCURY! they are designed for the immune system to hyper-react which also account for the explosion in auto-immune diseases

lmao

Poptarts, can you cite this stuff?

exactly @RyeNorth , the strains that they push out onto the public are OLD strains bcuz they take so long to develop, and the current strains spreading naturally in the flu season are completely different strains.... so youre just being overloaded with unnecessary toxins

you'll be tellign us it causes autism next

not off hand, cuz this is getting a little unwieldy, but feel free to try and falisfy what im saying or validate them... that is just a fact that you can confirm anywher ethough... about the adjuvents, aluminum, and mercury (thimerosal) in vaccines

you realise any substance is toxic at certain levels right?

some of those are preservatives, others are desinged as adjuvents

lol of couse, @Dr.Wol, certain levels of mercury being any at all 😉

you'll have a much harder time with too much H2O toxicity ... would need to drink more than you can pee out before dying from too much water intake

thats why you don't get galons of vaccines injected into you

also thats not true

Even apple juice contains arsenic.

people have died from drinking too much H2O

mercury is one of the most toxic non-radioactive elements to humans if not the most

dihydrogen oxide - try breathing that stuff

yes, i now that. thats exactly what im saying. it happens when the bladder back-fills into the liver causing liver toxicity/poisoning for example

no, you drink so much it causes the salt-water imbalance in your bloodstream to go to such levels your blood-cells will explode on you

literally suffocating you by destroying your blood cells

also your kidneys handle water, not the liver

Mercury is less toxic by weight than Arsenic.

And again, We feed our kids Apple Juice.

vaccines may very well CONTRIBUTE to the explosion in autism epidemic..... theres just tomes of research already completed that would be wreckless to dismiss

okay, still doesnt change what im saying, i think arsenic is even in most vaccines too