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2018-09-12 01:41:19 UTC

Arch is going insane

2018-09-12 01:41:32 UTC

anyway, what does the word racist mean?

2018-09-12 01:41:46 UTC

are you asking me or Granade?

2018-09-12 01:41:51 UTC

im asking anyone

2018-09-12 01:41:51 UTC

yes, i think

2018-09-12 01:42:18 UTC

racist
หˆreษชsษชst/
noun
noun: racist; plural noun: racists

1.
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

2018-09-12 01:43:37 UTC

i beleive racial superiority covers the latter of that defintion but i agree with that definition. though webster has a different interpriation https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

2018-09-12 01:44:18 UTC

so how is it racist to think that people joining your country need to conform to your values?

2018-09-12 01:44:32 UTC

The context I used racist as was the prejudice bit

2018-09-12 01:47:17 UTC

if racism is to show or feel discrimination or prejudice against people of other races (or lets expand that to ethnicitys to cover just a general difference for outsiders (though that could be consitered xenophobia too)) how is expecting other people living within your country regardless of where they come from to meet the standards of values that you want the people you live with to express?

2018-09-12 01:49:46 UTC

Arch, you distinguish between americans on the basis of skin color. This is all I meant. I find it grose. Most folks I'm friends with that come from a mono-ethnical state find it grose. We have people of color here and there and we don't give a rat's ass about it. I don't know how to make my point any clearer

2018-09-12 01:53:21 UTC

unfortunately we dont own that anymore

2018-09-12 01:54:05 UTC

i don't think most people really give a rats ass about it in America

2018-09-12 01:54:14 UTC

ironically, the left also calls that racist

2018-09-12 01:54:21 UTC

"color-blind is racist"

2018-09-12 01:55:11 UTC

you have quotas. The fact one can be viewed as a diversity hire is incredibly mean. That's all I'm saying.

2018-09-12 01:55:21 UTC

it is

2018-09-12 01:55:45 UTC

and its being lead by the faction who started the KKK

2018-09-12 01:55:46 UTC

and yet there are no protests against it.

2018-09-12 01:55:56 UTC

yeah, there are

2018-09-12 01:56:19 UTC

they just get fired. Have you not heard about James Damore?

2018-09-12 01:56:49 UTC

ofc I have. You don't have massive protests against it, that's my point

2018-09-12 01:57:22 UTC

distinguishing people via skin color is an ancient practice every human culture who has existed practiced at one point. america did, europe did (moors, jews, gypsies), so on and so forth. perhaps your monoethnic country has gotten past that nosoul but here in the united states its no longer in anyones hands to control that. we have what you call black culture and mexican culture, and italian, chinese, japanese, etc, no longer because AMERICA wants to describe people as being seporate from americans. but because of an evolution of distinguishing between skin colors now skin color and ethnic background is the method in which americans seporate themselves from being american

2018-09-12 01:58:19 UTC

do people in North Korea have massive protests against Kim?

2018-09-12 01:58:39 UTC

rather extreme example and hyperbolic

2018-09-12 01:58:46 UTC

well they are not really in the land of the free now are they Granade ๐Ÿ˜‰

2018-09-12 01:59:33 UTC

i mean, people are lazy. of course, rather than protest, we also have a habit of just building new things rather than destorying stuff

2018-09-12 01:59:43 UTC

which is apparently the American idea of a protest.

2018-09-12 01:59:59 UTC

idk why we have definitions for riot, we call any gathering of upset people a protest

2018-09-12 02:00:13 UTC

america cant protest being racist, it would be racist because it would only be white people protesting it

2018-09-12 02:00:36 UTC

we have patriot prayer and the proud boys

2018-09-12 02:00:49 UTC

but you see how the racists shut them down

2018-09-12 02:01:16 UTC

by racists

2018-09-12 02:01:29 UTC

hence, my point

2018-09-12 02:01:40 UTC

racism is inherent to any ethnicly diverse nation

2018-09-12 02:02:15 UTC

you would solve it unless you program humans on a mass scale at a young age

2018-09-12 02:03:03 UTC

but that would be racist because youd need to do it to all americans not just the white ones

2018-09-12 02:03:33 UTC

idk, you called them american culture values, yet both sides basically agree the racist side is anti-american

2018-09-12 02:03:42 UTC

not to mention the other orwellian problems of state forced child programming

2018-09-12 02:04:06 UTC

i dont think they are cultural values i think they are cultural habits

2018-09-12 02:07:06 UTC

the left say they hate America, and support open enemies of America, want America to not be a country by abolishing the border

2018-09-12 02:07:46 UTC

Anyway, thank you all for engaging. Good night ^^

2018-09-12 02:07:57 UTC

anytime! night!

2018-09-12 02:08:25 UTC

though there may be something to this thing of eastern europeans being nicer to other races than we are. alt hypothosis did a video once talking about how groups of people who are mostly ethnicly homogenus tend to be less instinctively prejudice

2018-09-12 02:09:35 UTC

i believe that is called being naive? lmao

2018-09-12 02:09:51 UTC

yes essentually

2018-09-12 02:10:16 UTC

i mean, if you encounter less cultures counter to you, you have less reason to be weary of it

2018-09-12 02:10:42 UTC

much like animals from areas without humans don't have an instant run reaction to humans

2018-09-12 02:10:47 UTC

negitive interactions with other ethnic groups are worse than no interactions at all. though obviously positive ones are best but in a society you cant expect that

2018-09-12 02:12:36 UTC

there may also be a factor of people (especially collectivistic people) veiwing negitive interactions as an example of what a type of person can be like where a positive interaction as who a person is

2018-09-12 02:13:39 UTC

because people look at negitive things that happen to them as something they need to prevent from happening while positive things are things people dont have an instinctive learning mechanism for

2018-09-12 02:13:49 UTC

which is why you learn more from failure

2018-09-12 02:14:08 UTC

(though not that you learn the right things from failure, your just more likely to remimber)

2018-09-12 02:15:03 UTC

thus ultimatly on a national scale racism is very difficult to control though it may take many different forms (though systemic racism is bullshit)

2018-09-12 02:17:39 UTC

doesent help that we basicly teach every non white person to be racist in the united states

2018-09-12 05:37:13 UTC

@Beemann Good song. Think I'll fall asleep to Pulse in the CD player tonight.

2018-09-12 14:59:49 UTC

american only social media websites, change my mind

2018-09-12 15:05:49 UTC

No arguments here

2018-09-12 15:09:30 UTC

I'm fine with you guys having a containment board, yeah

2018-09-12 15:12:31 UTC

in january there will be 3 internets: the chinese internet, the european internet, and the free internet

2018-09-12 15:14:18 UTC

>try to have debate with random lefty American
>they assume every country is culturally American.
>they try to tell me how well the country I live in works
Like I said, containment board

2018-09-12 15:15:37 UTC

i mean, american culture has infested a very large portion of the world

2018-09-12 15:17:01 UTC

Not as much as Americans would like to believe

2018-09-12 15:17:08 UTC

>BLM Toronto

2018-09-12 15:17:41 UTC

i mean, there are over 2000 mcdonalds in china

2018-09-12 15:17:57 UTC

Business != culture

2018-09-12 15:18:11 UTC

People like to assume your social issues have been exported. They haven't

2018-09-12 15:18:27 UTC

Which is why you get commies complaining about Slavs having white privilege

2018-09-12 15:18:29 UTC

i don't think they have either

2018-09-12 15:18:46 UTC

but food is an important aspect of culture

2018-09-12 15:18:56 UTC

american clothing is also found worldwide

2018-09-12 15:19:13 UTC

I think better of America than to assume McDonalds is representative of its food :^)

2018-09-12 15:19:56 UTC

But yeah I frequently find Burgerlanders telling me there are no issues with my healthcare system, that racism is a huge issue and I need to unpack the knapsack and shit

2018-09-12 15:20:16 UTC

cheap, disgusting, and bad for you are the cornerstones of american food tbh

2018-09-12 15:21:08 UTC

like, yeah we have better, but most of us are perfectly happy eating mcdonalds 3 times a week. personally i can't stand that shit

2018-09-12 15:24:06 UTC

Yeah but like, the presence of businesses doesn't determine what fundamentally shapes a country

2018-09-12 15:24:27 UTC

USA is full of pizzerias, you can buy Diesel clothes everywhere

2018-09-12 15:24:35 UTC

USA doesn't hold Italian values

2018-09-12 15:24:43 UTC

it is an indicator, especially if the business is one so culturally significant

2018-09-12 15:24:45 UTC

Italian-Americans might but not the USA

2018-09-12 15:25:39 UTC

Agreed, the Standard American Diet sucks.

2018-09-12 15:25:42 UTC

with pizza places, we have americanized the hell out of pizza. there are almost no pizza places that try to sell themselves on "italian pizza"

2018-09-12 15:25:50 UTC

Yes, but the point still stands it doesn't determine the values

2018-09-12 15:26:00 UTC

and pizza chains from italy are also practically nonexistant

2018-09-12 15:26:22 UTC

Sony and Nintendo have a huge presence in the UK, that doesn't mean we hold Japanese values

2018-09-12 15:26:22 UTC

yeah, i'm not saying we imported our values around everywhere, but a large chunk of our culture we did

2018-09-12 15:26:43 UTC

Yes, but the culture isn't the values

2018-09-12 15:26:50 UTC

american food, movies, clothing, and music are all almost worldwide

2018-09-12 15:26:58 UTC

yeah i never argued about values tho

2018-09-12 15:27:06 UTC

Wild Western films are known worldwide but nobody holds the heritage of what Wild West means

2018-09-12 15:27:09 UTC

>buy all of your tech from Asian countries
>you now have Asian culture

2018-09-12 15:27:16 UTC

Oh sorry I must've misread

2018-09-12 15:28:03 UTC

Yeah, I misread. Businesses being moved around doesn't mean culture follows, it's more to do with the international nature of the world and how America is revolutionary in communication

2018-09-12 15:28:09 UTC

well beeman when we start wearing traditional chinese clothing every day and eating chow mein 4 times a week hmu

2018-09-12 15:28:45 UTC

>america owns burgers, t-shirts
Ok

2018-09-12 15:29:01 UTC

I think the point of things not transferring was summed up best by the Slavs having white privilege thing

2018-09-12 15:29:19 UTC

i'd say jeans more than t-shirts, but t-shirts also to a lesser degree

2018-09-12 15:29:27 UTC

Like, I've been told I have white privilege. I'm an Irishman in a city where Irish guys have been killed by gangs for being Irish

2018-09-12 15:29:40 UTC

I don't have privilege because I'm white, yknow

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