which are the ones you least want to have them

or the people who make the laws

nah... usually more the people enforcing them

rather get shot than get doused in acid tbh. at least leave people knives.

so if a motherfucker wants to rob me at least i don't get my face melted

or, i guess you could use the same magic wand you'd need to get rid of guns to get rid of crime too

that's why i said that it is completely unrealistic to get rid of all guns in the us 😉

so basically "perfect scenario: no one has them, since that is not possible - why bother with disarming the people that do not break the law?"

the greatist act of tyranny is when a body of authority takes the method of the people to singlehandedly defend the rights they are told are protected

I think the perfect scenario would actually be no one wants to shoot me for the $20 I keep in my wallet and my 5 year old cell phone.

Although I do not agree with your baseline view falko. I do respect your method of approaching the issue.

Failing that I'd prefer retaining the ability to at least return fire.

well... i was talking about guns only... fixing your society was not on the table 😉

if you take guns from the world you better take every weapon more powerful. even then we will be violent with every weapon less powerful until we are reduced to nuggets without arms or legs

were animals, weve been violent for 500 million years

Fair enough, no one should expect one issue to fix society as a whole

you take guns from the people, even if you managed to monopolize all projectile weapons in the world to governemnt control, you would simply make the power imbalance between people hinge on a badge and a loisense that states "im a good guy and theres nothing you can do about it now"

if your government just wants to make you weaker than the people the government says are allowed to be strong, then the government is a criminal organization

of course you have to have a baseline trust your government...

we ensure trust by having a balance of force

if i was living in Venezuela i would probably think differently 😉

no one should have blind trust in anything, not even themselves

blind trust is something different than having a baseline trust that your democracy works

democracys actually require more power to the people than other forms of government

obviously 😄

dictatorships are not really that high on the whole power to the people thing 😄

because democracys distribute responcibility for the direction and actions of the society among the people more directly than more autocratic systems. this requires more enforcement on the part of the people to ensure the governemnt acts in the intrest of the people because its ultimately more of them who are responcible for it, as such they require the power to do that, and that power enforced through ensurence of violence between people and state

you only have insurence of violence between people and state when the people or state can insure that they can successfuly enforce their whim on one another through violence

the state does this with a military and police force, the people do this through being an armed milita

the people also hold the country hostage from the state in a way because in order to deal with its own people the state risks collateral damage

There is a problem democracy has not learned to weight into its governmental systems adequately. Specialization in the age of Merchant Guilds was limited in contrast to today. A doctorate of philosophy covered every accrued field of knowledge. Today, that is not possible. It is not possible to have professional specialists weighted according to their value in a polity which is 99% ignorant of their specialty.

http://time.com/5299141/spoitfy-hateful-conduct-policy-ends-r-kelly/

If Rose turns out to be a spy for the empire - everything ties together and makes sense.. and her character becomes awesome

who is rose?

was that the plumber commisar turned PR expert?

Trans character

the one who got all the abuse and deleted her instagram

was this in solo?

havent seen solo

she was trans?

her real name is tran 😛

Wouldn't really make sense if she was a spy. First Order succeeded, wouldn't she have gotten herself killed?

if its a normal spy only the top brass in the empire would know she was on their side

But she was on one of the ships of the fleet the First Order was shooting down.

Might make sense, after all if they kill the rebels then they never find their allies

thats why she had to stop finn .. but try not to kill him and blow her cover

If they let the rebels send out their signal then they can find and kill their allies

But again, if it wasn't for this side mission where they left the fleet, she would've been on one of the ships that the First Order was going to destroy.

By betraying this fleet she would've been killing herself.

You're looking for something that isn't there. It was just a badly written movie.

You're presuming that the empire wants her to survive

The loose ends aren't secret plot twists. They're just bad writing.

And what about her sister?

What sister?

Her sister died attacking First Order ships.

oh right at the start

Siblings dont have to support the same cause

Paige
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rose_Tico

dude stop

Just. Bad. Writing.

I cant remember, was that a story she was telling?

No, they spent several minutes focusing on the sister.

She mentioned if off hand at one point

cause what if it actually turned out.. that ter sister was on the death star or something

"killed by terrorists"

no they very clearly showed her dying

she was on the last bomber

but was that a scene... or was she telling the story and then it went into the scene?

no that was a scene

at this point you hadnt even met miss plumber comissar

ah yeah I remember... and then something about a necklace

thats it

unless... her sister was a spy too! 😛

cos their parents were on the death star

Literally the only plot hole that this fills in is the part where she crashes finn out of the way of the massive cannon

maybe kylo ren is her brother

That's not a plot hole. That was a conscious decision on the part of the writers.

Every male lead is stupid. Everything they do is pointless or downright wrong, and the female leads are meant to show them the error of their ways.

Finn, by trying to do something heroic and self-sacrificing, was wrong. The writers wanted that to be the lesson.

Yea im gonna consider that a plot hole

I refuse to believe that any studio could conciously decide that was a good idea for a movie

not sure if thats true... the feminist haired woman seemed fairly stubborn etc... but came through in the end

By a) not telling her subordinates what she was trying to do and b) breaking the SW universe.

Why didn't the rebels just evacuate a medical frigate and get a droid to crash it into the death star?

She assumed command and saw the discontent brewing amongst her crew

Instead of taking action to forestall it she chose to sit by and do nothing

Then at the end she made the wonderful decision to sacrifice herself, leaving the alliance without a fleet and without any leaders

But the important thing is that Poe was wrong about everything.

All that heroic stuff that we expect from dashing pilot male leads? Completely wrong.

"you cant solve your problems by jumping in an X wing and blowing everything up"

Worked pretty frigging good for the first trilogy.

Worked good for the first movie and the first part of the last jedi too

But that's toxic masculinity. This time we're going to try losing all our ships and getting 90% of the rebels killed.

Finn? Wrong about everything. Poe? Wrong about everything. Luke? Wrong about everything.

Han? Wrong. Dead. Chewie? Vegetarian now.

thats meritocracy talk - in the new world order - everyone is equal - lowest common denominator

no heroes, no villains

Yeah they couldn't even make a good villain.

how coo would it have been to see an old and crazy powerful luke

rey makes it back to the island and luke is doing crazy force shit