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oops, religicide is actually a word
apparently there is genocide, politicide and democide
jbp's spot on jre this week is him at his finest
able to hash out all of his thoughts over the last 2 years or so into succinct well thought out details
david davis resigned
this is huge
expect twitter explosion
resigning at this time ... when they have this deal they want to push...
f***ck knows who will take over
I dunno who that is or what the importance is
Brexit related I see
dude its massive.. he is the lead negotiator for brexit
everything rested on him
so brexit is dead?
we are legally bound to leave... so we have to leave no matter what... but f**ck knows what will happen to any deal
although if brexit dies, seriously, you're going to piss over half the country that voted on it and also the rest that belives in rule of law
but do you?
we signed article 50
could be brexit in name only
after the 2yr period the EU is not legally obliged to us in anyway .. and we are not legally obliged to them in any way
we could carry on as usual, but it only take one little thing to say "well ... we're not legally obliged" then it falls apart
from either side
Brexit is not dead yet
But it will put pressure on gove and bojo to resign too
And it could topple theresa may
I think its time for your country to stop fucking up IKEAs and clean your room
tbh.. Ive seen mogg deal with guy vanderwhatsit ... and I rthink he;d do a good job of it
I am not suprises he reaigned btw
Nah mogg is demagogue
He put forward zero proposals
he's vastley knowledgable about procedure and all the many bills and acts etc
Tm at least tried
He has no solution on northern ireland
watch him against guy vanderwhatsit
So who's going to greet Trump?
if May is gone?
hes mentioned several times about n.ireland
and the goverement is toppled
if the queen decides the tories cant hold it together she will assign it to corbyn
"The BBC reported that at least one other minister will also be resigning, though no names were given."
The brexit minister
Btw this could backfire big time
Its gonna be a wild ride
all the labour MPs are out tweeting
Ofc they are
"this is a shambles, time for a labour government"
They all smell blood
Btw had it been labor it would have been aame shambles
I would rather have even bloomin ukip than labour .. at least with vorbyn in charge
Brexit splits both parties
if only labour split into something else... like labour 2.0 with all the centrists
there are some ok people in labour
then theres diane abott, corbyn, and jess philips
and the shadow chancellor .. whats his name ... mao..
Dont forget the anti free speech bitch from Walthamstow
well yeah.. but we gotta do something about the free speech extremists
No seriously she is behind every push for censorship you can imagine
i remember when May was first put forward as leader of the tories... and remember thinking back then.. this is verrrrry bad for the internet and free speech
she has always been a bit authoritarian when it comes to the internet
and spying on people
May is bad too
But stella creasy is ultra bad
Heads up, if a Walmart employee asks you to apply for a credit card it is because we are being forced to and not being a dick
how about I dunk your walmart ass through the big fuckin smiley face man on the sign instead
Pls kill me tho
Thank god for the self checkouts. I don't want the gamestop experience when I'm just trying to get some toothpaste
No. I WALK AROUND the store WHILE UR SHOPPING
WE HAVE EVOLVED
thats interesting... they said "the pound weakened on the news" .. but its actually gone up
What, are they making some weasel wordy statement like 'yeah the value of it went up, but people's trust in its future value has gone down' or are they just flat out lying?
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well ive had a short on eurgbp for a while.. and today Im in profit
I mean this could all go into my little theory earlier...
UK might have civil war first
that theyre making it out to be "oh we are so losing" when really its good deal for UK but EU gets to look good... which is all it cares about
(well.. that and money)
civil war? who against who?
what a signature
also, not a civil war, but man there's some division there
There will be no war
Its too hot here rn
I was being facetious
Britain's dried up
that being said, shits going down
This was predictable tbh
Ever since last Christmas
ever since the vote
I am beginnging to think that the #walkaway movement is politically funded and is not really true or grassroots or sincere. The people that are in it are, but not the #walkaway backers.
This kinda reminds me of the Tea Party, circa 2010.
I wouldent trust them tbh
Its too convenient
Before the dawn
before the war
They are skipping any semblence of Greens, Libertarins, and Independents, and asking them to join Conservatives. This is too much coicedence.
ok suddenly the pound weakened....
Wacka buy pound when it looks like there will be second referendum
Btw i would say ita over 60% there will be
Id like a second ref. so we can get a really good makjoirty voting leave
Both results would work tbh
the source may be politically funded but there is for sure real walkaway
but yeah I don't trust that movement
but then again, I didn't trust Candace Owens/Kanye but I have seen instances where that has made an affect
and was that funded
It is a little too convenient, wouldn't you say, tho?
but anyway, people don't like to be singlular voices, so anytime there can be a collective narrative, people are more apt to come out in support, if they support.. otherwise it's off with their heads
if more normal folk say "Im conservative" it may start to normalize trump a bit
umm yeah, it probably is
Any collective movement is bound to have financial backing.
I bet morgan freeman is conservative
Whether it is on the Left or the Right.
Soros vs. Koch. Go.
It's annoying that 'conservative' has right wing connotations
Isn't there conservative Democrats and conservative Libertarians?
There are a lot of laws with left wing values that have been around for a while and should be conserved
Depends on who you ask
Tim should do more in-depth analysis of #walkaway instead of jumping on the bandwagon.
But when most people hear 'conservative' they think right wing christianity
Christanity is not conservative by any means.
Islam and Orthodox Judism might be.
conservative is right wing
but right wing is not necessarily a bad thing
I mean the US was founded on right wing principles
the idea that people should be able to own property... trade goods etc...
these are right wing principals
religion is not really right or left... its mainly authoitarian
theres nothing economic about religion
And that is where we are at now. The Authoratarisns vs. the Libertarians.
its not left v right
its A v L
I think people misunderstand that
But if you dare say that in most places someone will pretend you're talking about the Libertarian party rather than libertarian values
and nearly all european leaders are on the right side of the spectrum
collectivism vs individualism
is actually a better way to look at it
look how far merkel is to the right
C vs I.
they may have elements of socialism... but they are absolutely capitalist first
most of the EU is capatalism first
Capatlist Socialists and Anti-capatlist Socialists.
the only way that socialist programs are supported is throught he back of captalist prosperity
soemthing somewhere has to pay for it
so either you flatten the hierarchy
or you have hierarchy funding the safetly nets
You can;t force Goverment to pay for everything. And you can;t have Goverment force to pay you everything.
I got called a 'radical individualist' by a family member recently for saying that splitting everyone up by race to determine privilege is a poor way to do things because it's going to create division and does a poor job at accurately predicting an idividual's experiences
conservatives are the new liberals (of the past) for the most part. so you can see how there are right-wing liberals as an accurate description of some of them too
don't you know
the parties switched
so it was really the democrats that freed the slaves
I need to switch bodies then. haha
'the coastal strategy'
how many republican politicians were assassinated by the kkk again?
over a hundred or so?
That's racist. lol
and zero democrats
this is a "stellar" read
who wrote amendment 13... republican 😛
BUT THEY SWITCHED
around the time of who the hell knows when
classical liberalism... generally starting with Adam Smith and so on of the original classial liberals
or perhaps in Britain even before that?
they didnt really "switch" bcuz the racist south just become less and less racist to the point now that deep south conservatives will now predictably favor a black conservative over a white liberal
I believe the first act to stop slavery was around 1773 or something in the UK
and then a final act in 1808 to spend a fortune on the navy to stop it worldwide
not to mention Dinesh D'Souza goes into detail about how the switch from majority blacks to the democratic party far outdated the so called "switch" from taking place
God, I hate how people on both sides conflate Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism, with people are pro-socialism say "oh, you want health care? That means you want Socialism!" and people who are against welfare saying "We can't institute government assistance programs because that's Socialism and Socialism is evil".
really gets my goat
Dinesh D'Souza and Cenk debated about that once at Politicon
I am pro-Health. Less regulations and taxes regarding health.
Health is a human right. But not a Constitutional right.
so the Dems were behind enacting the Jim Crow laws, etc
Both Abortion and Health care decisions should be done at the state level.
Life, is an unalienable right according to the Declaration of Independence, and health has overlap with that.
and they were against repealing the Jim Crow laws too .... that was NOT TOO long ago.....
Does Life mean the protection of your Health or your protection of Living?
health doesn't have to overlap with that
at least not in the way you're arguing
because does your right to health require someone else to intervene against their will?
i.e. a health professional?
do you have a "right" to their services?
and if so, where do you draw the line
Not all health does; like being overweight doesn't mean my right to life gives me the right to a gym, but in certain cases their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare
do you have a right to a plumber's services to fix your sewage line because it can spread disease?
that is, right because nobody has the right to prevent you from seeking it and for making your own health choices and decisions w/o having somebody be forced to pay for wreckless choices of others' health lifestyle/choices/decisions
for the record, I'm not totally against a single payer / safety net type system
I'm not just not sure what it should be, for the US
I'm not for it either
well... there are private healthcare clinics already available out there..... so of course healthcare is part of the natural organic market economy
And I certainly don't know the right way to implement such systems, and wouldn't want a poorly thought out system to be implemented just in the pursuit of progress
a solid libertarian case for forcing a doctor to care for you against their will?
there isn't one
No one said there was one.
Don't pretend people are saying what they're not.
I also think a single payer system will stifle health-related research progress
"their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare"
given that the context was about healthcare being a human right, care to explain how that wouldn't mean a doctor would be forced to care for you?
People are self servng, they want to make money and as much of it.. healthcare is lucrative and that attracks thos ethat can spend r&d money
Because literally no one said anything about forcing someone to do work. I meant it being paid for through taxes.
Libertarian doesn't mean anarchy. Thomas Paine is frequently sited as a libertarian, and he was in favor of UBI.
here's about as socialist as I'll go.. I don't think that anyone in a country as weathly as ours should have their entire lives ruined, financially, etc, because they get unlucky with something health related, ie. cancer
I just don't know what the answer is on that
yeah, that would be like a VERY "positivistic" health care because they would just MAGICALLY give themselves the right to impose medical procedures onto YOU whether you like it or not
Nothing socialist about that if you ask me.
A voluntrarily "pay for what you want into it" healthcare system?
pay whsat you want never works
people don't want to pay
note that i edited "healthcare" with medical procedures....
Not a HSA but sort of alike a Volunteer Medicare for all. You are not forced, but if you want to, you can pay into it as a whole.
wont work either
thats basically obamacare
because to call medical services stuff "healthcare" is a misnomer as they really only manage illness, diseases, and injuries
health insurance companies are part of the problem with inflated prices in the US. which is just another reason obamacare was a flop
only you can decide to choose healthy living and well being to take premeptive care of your health into your own hands
im also not against people make money
I do have a moral delimma of people making money over someone elses misery