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2018-07-08 22:58:32 UTC

democide aparently

2018-07-08 22:58:51 UTC

religicide

2018-07-08 22:59:46 UTC

Maybe theocide

2018-07-08 23:00:04 UTC

oops, religicide is actually a word

2018-07-08 23:00:09 UTC

apparently there is genocide, politicide and democide

2018-07-08 23:05:59 UTC

jbp's spot on jre this week is him at his finest

2018-07-08 23:06:21 UTC

able to hash out all of his thoughts over the last 2 years or so into succinct well thought out details

2018-07-08 23:08:32 UTC

hooooooooooooooly shit

2018-07-08 23:08:38 UTC

david davis resigned

2018-07-08 23:08:47 UTC

ELI5

2018-07-08 23:08:58 UTC

this is huge

2018-07-08 23:09:05 UTC

ELI4

2018-07-08 23:09:30 UTC

expect twitter explosion

2018-07-08 23:09:36 UTC

ELI3

2018-07-08 23:09:58 UTC

resigning at this time ... when they have this deal they want to push...

2018-07-08 23:10:22 UTC

f***ck knows who will take over

2018-07-08 23:10:34 UTC

jesus

2018-07-08 23:10:41 UTC

I dunno who that is or what the importance is

2018-07-08 23:11:03 UTC

Brexit related I see

2018-07-08 23:11:28 UTC

dude its massive.. he is the lead negotiator for brexit

2018-07-08 23:11:38 UTC

everything rested on him

2018-07-08 23:11:45 UTC

so brexit is dead?

2018-07-08 23:11:51 UTC

f**ck knows

2018-07-08 23:11:53 UTC

again?

2018-07-08 23:12:33 UTC

we are legally bound to leave... so we have to leave no matter what... but f**ck knows what will happen to any deal

2018-07-08 23:12:35 UTC

although if brexit dies, seriously, you're going to piss over half the country that voted on it and also the rest that belives in rule of law

2018-07-08 23:12:43 UTC

but do you?

2018-07-08 23:12:50 UTC

yes

2018-07-08 23:12:54 UTC

we signed article 50

2018-07-08 23:12:57 UTC

could be brexit in name only

2018-07-08 23:13:38 UTC

after the 2yr period the EU is not legally obliged to us in anyway .. and we are not legally obliged to them in any way

2018-07-08 23:14:15 UTC

we could carry on as usual, but it only take one little thing to say "well ... we're not legally obliged" then it falls apart

2018-07-08 23:14:24 UTC

from either side

2018-07-08 23:17:11 UTC

Brexit is not dead yet

2018-07-08 23:17:39 UTC

But it will put pressure on gove and bojo to resign too

2018-07-08 23:17:55 UTC

And it could topple theresa may

2018-07-08 23:18:08 UTC

I think its time for your country to stop fucking up IKEAs and clean your room

2018-07-08 23:19:06 UTC

tbh.. Ive seen mogg deal with guy vanderwhatsit ... and I rthink he;d do a good job of it

2018-07-08 23:19:10 UTC

I am not suprises he reaigned btw

2018-07-08 23:19:24 UTC

Nah mogg is demagogue

2018-07-08 23:19:39 UTC

He put forward zero proposals

2018-07-08 23:19:47 UTC

he's vastley knowledgable about procedure and all the many bills and acts etc

2018-07-08 23:19:50 UTC

Tm at least tried

2018-07-08 23:20:18 UTC

He has no solution on northern ireland

2018-07-08 23:20:22 UTC

watch him against guy vanderwhatsit

2018-07-08 23:20:24 UTC

So who's going to greet Trump?

2018-07-08 23:20:31 UTC

if May is gone?

2018-07-08 23:20:40 UTC

hes mentioned several times about n.ireland

2018-07-08 23:20:45 UTC

and the goverement is toppled

2018-07-08 23:20:52 UTC

corbyn

2018-07-08 23:20:55 UTC

haha

2018-07-08 23:20:57 UTC

July

2018-07-08 23:21:16 UTC

if the queen decides the tories cant hold it together she will assign it to corbyn

2018-07-08 23:22:58 UTC

"The BBC reported that at least one other minister will also be resigning, though no names were given."

2018-07-08 23:23:09 UTC

Steve barker

2018-07-08 23:23:53 UTC

The brexit minister

2018-07-08 23:24:25 UTC

Btw this could backfire big time

2018-07-08 23:24:44 UTC

Its gonna be a wild ride

2018-07-08 23:25:10 UTC

all the labour MPs are out tweeting

2018-07-08 23:25:20 UTC

Ofc they are

2018-07-08 23:25:21 UTC

"this is a shambles, time for a labour government"

2018-07-08 23:25:28 UTC

They all smell blood

2018-07-08 23:25:54 UTC

Btw had it been labor it would have been aame shambles

2018-07-08 23:25:56 UTC

I would rather have even bloomin ukip than labour .. at least with vorbyn in charge

2018-07-08 23:26:05 UTC

Brexit splits both parties

2018-07-08 23:26:30 UTC

if only labour split into something else... like labour 2.0 with all the centrists

2018-07-08 23:26:45 UTC

there are some ok people in labour

2018-07-08 23:27:02 UTC

then theres diane abott, corbyn, and jess philips

2018-07-08 23:27:22 UTC

and the shadow chancellor .. whats his name ... mao..

2018-07-08 23:27:49 UTC

Dont forget the anti free speech bitch from Walthamstow

2018-07-08 23:28:28 UTC

well yeah.. but we gotta do something about the free speech extremists

2018-07-08 23:30:23 UTC

No seriously she is behind every push for censorship you can imagine

2018-07-08 23:32:00 UTC

i remember when May was first put forward as leader of the tories... and remember thinking back then.. this is verrrrry bad for the internet and free speech

2018-07-08 23:32:24 UTC

she has always been a bit authoritarian when it comes to the internet

2018-07-08 23:32:28 UTC

and spying on people

2018-07-08 23:35:04 UTC

May is bad too

2018-07-08 23:35:26 UTC

But stella creasy is ultra bad

2018-07-08 23:46:03 UTC

Heads up, if a Walmart employee asks you to apply for a credit card it is because we are being forced to and not being a dick

2018-07-08 23:46:22 UTC

how about I dunk your walmart ass through the big fuckin smiley face man on the sign instead

2018-07-08 23:46:23 UTC

jk

2018-07-08 23:48:49 UTC

Pls kill me tho

2018-07-08 23:48:57 UTC

Thank god for the self checkouts. I don't want the gamestop experience when I'm just trying to get some toothpaste

2018-07-08 23:50:04 UTC

No. I WALK AROUND the store WHILE UR SHOPPING

2018-07-08 23:50:16 UTC

oh no

2018-07-08 23:50:23 UTC

WE HAVE EVOLVED

2018-07-08 23:50:30 UTC

LIKE BACTERIA

2018-07-08 23:56:20 UTC

thats interesting... they said "the pound weakened on the news" .. but its actually gone up

2018-07-08 23:58:49 UTC

What, are they making some weasel wordy statement like 'yeah the value of it went up, but people's trust in its future value has gone down' or are they just flat out lying?

2018-07-09 00:01:24 UTC

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2018-07-09 00:02:10 UTC

well ive had a short on eurgbp for a while.. and today Im in profit

2018-07-09 00:03:12 UTC

I mean this could all go into my little theory earlier...

2018-07-09 00:03:20 UTC

UK might have civil war first

2018-07-09 00:03:49 UTC

that theyre making it out to be "oh we are so losing" when really its good deal for UK but EU gets to look good... which is all it cares about

2018-07-09 00:03:55 UTC

(well.. that and money)

2018-07-09 00:04:11 UTC

civil war? who against who?

2018-07-09 00:05:11 UTC

what a signature

2018-07-09 00:05:32 UTC

also, not a civil war, but man there's some division there

2018-07-09 00:05:41 UTC

There will be no war

2018-07-09 00:05:49 UTC

Its too hot here rn

2018-07-09 00:05:51 UTC

🀣

2018-07-09 00:05:54 UTC

haha

2018-07-09 00:06:02 UTC

I was being facetious

2018-07-09 00:06:09 UTC

Britain's dried up

2018-07-09 00:06:10 UTC

that being said, shits going down

2018-07-09 00:07:05 UTC

This was predictable tbh

2018-07-09 00:07:14 UTC

Ever since last Christmas

2018-07-09 00:07:23 UTC

ever since the vote

2018-07-09 00:08:15 UTC

I am beginnging to think that the #walkaway movement is politically funded and is not really true or grassroots or sincere. The people that are in it are, but not the #walkaway backers.

2018-07-09 00:08:29 UTC

This kinda reminds me of the Tea Party, circa 2010.

2018-07-09 00:08:56 UTC

I wouldent trust them tbh

2018-07-09 00:09:10 UTC

Its too convenient

2018-07-09 00:09:19 UTC

Before midterms

2018-07-09 00:09:28 UTC

Before radfems

2018-07-09 00:09:32 UTC

Before the dawn

2018-07-09 00:09:34 UTC

before the war

2018-07-09 00:09:52 UTC

They are skipping any semblence of Greens, Libertarins, and Independents, and asking them to join Conservatives. This is too much coicedence.

2018-07-09 00:12:00 UTC

ok suddenly the pound weakened....

2018-07-09 00:13:09 UTC

Wacka buy pound when it looks like there will be second referendum

2018-07-09 00:13:30 UTC

Btw i would say ita over 60% there will be

2018-07-09 00:13:46 UTC

Id like a second ref. so we can get a really good makjoirty voting leave

2018-07-09 00:14:08 UTC

Both results would work tbh

2018-07-09 00:14:47 UTC

the source may be politically funded but there is for sure real walkaway

2018-07-09 00:15:05 UTC

but yeah I don't trust that movement

2018-07-09 00:15:26 UTC

but then again, I didn't trust Candace Owens/Kanye but I have seen instances where that has made an affect

2018-07-09 00:15:31 UTC

and was that funded

2018-07-09 00:15:38 UTC

probably not

2018-07-09 00:16:31 UTC

It is a little too convenient, wouldn't you say, tho?

2018-07-09 00:16:34 UTC

but anyway, people don't like to be singlular voices, so anytime there can be a collective narrative, people are more apt to come out in support, if they support.. otherwise it's off with their heads

2018-07-09 00:16:36 UTC

if more normal folk say "Im conservative" it may start to normalize trump a bit

2018-07-09 00:16:43 UTC

umm yeah, it probably is

2018-07-09 00:16:52 UTC

Any collective movement is bound to have financial backing.

2018-07-09 00:16:58 UTC

I bet morgan freeman is conservative

2018-07-09 00:17:01 UTC

Whether it is on the Left or the Right.

2018-07-09 00:17:45 UTC

Soros vs. Koch. Go.

2018-07-09 00:18:43 UTC

It's annoying that 'conservative' has right wing connotations

2018-07-09 00:19:06 UTC

Isn't there conservative Democrats and conservative Libertarians?

2018-07-09 00:19:19 UTC

There are a lot of laws with left wing values that have been around for a while and should be conserved

2018-07-09 00:19:33 UTC

Depends on who you ask

2018-07-09 00:20:13 UTC

Tim should do more in-depth analysis of #walkaway instead of jumping on the bandwagon.

2018-07-09 00:20:22 UTC

But when most people hear 'conservative' they think right wing christianity

2018-07-09 00:20:44 UTC

Christanity is not conservative by any means.

2018-07-09 00:21:02 UTC

Islam and Orthodox Judism might be.

2018-07-09 00:21:19 UTC

conservative is right wing

2018-07-09 00:21:30 UTC

but right wing is not necessarily a bad thing

2018-07-09 00:21:59 UTC

I mean the US was founded on right wing principles

2018-07-09 00:22:32 UTC

the idea that people should be able to own property... trade goods etc...

2018-07-09 00:22:40 UTC

these are right wing principals

2018-07-09 00:23:06 UTC

religion is not really right or left... its mainly authoitarian

2018-07-09 00:23:29 UTC

theres nothing economic about religion

2018-07-09 00:23:29 UTC

And that is where we are at now. The Authoratarisns vs. the Libertarians.

2018-07-09 00:24:02 UTC

yup

2018-07-09 00:24:06 UTC

its not left v right

2018-07-09 00:24:09 UTC

its A v L

2018-07-09 00:24:14 UTC

Agreed

2018-07-09 00:24:15 UTC

I think people misunderstand that

2018-07-09 00:24:51 UTC

But if you dare say that in most places someone will pretend you're talking about the Libertarian party rather than libertarian values

2018-07-09 00:25:01 UTC

correct

2018-07-09 00:25:08 UTC

and nearly all european leaders are on the right side of the spectrum

2018-07-09 00:25:09 UTC

collectivism vs individualism

2018-07-09 00:25:16 UTC

is actually a better way to look at it

2018-07-09 00:25:20 UTC

look how far merkel is to the right

2018-07-09 00:25:26 UTC

C vs I.

2018-07-09 00:25:30 UTC

Bestest.

2018-07-09 00:25:35 UTC

authoritarian right

2018-07-09 00:25:52 UTC

they may have elements of socialism... but they are absolutely capitalist first

2018-07-09 00:26:03 UTC

oh yeah

2018-07-09 00:26:11 UTC

most of the EU is capatalism first

2018-07-09 00:26:26 UTC

Capatlist Socialists and Anti-capatlist Socialists.

2018-07-09 00:26:30 UTC

the only way that socialist programs are supported is throught he back of captalist prosperity

2018-07-09 00:26:41 UTC

soemthing somewhere has to pay for it

2018-07-09 00:26:53 UTC

so either you flatten the hierarchy

2018-07-09 00:27:18 UTC

or you have hierarchy funding the safetly nets

2018-07-09 00:27:18 UTC

You can;t force Goverment to pay for everything. And you can;t have Goverment force to pay you everything.

2018-07-09 00:27:18 UTC

I got called a 'radical individualist' by a family member recently for saying that splitting everyone up by race to determine privilege is a poor way to do things because it's going to create division and does a poor job at accurately predicting an idividual's experiences

2018-07-09 00:27:24 UTC

conservatives are the new liberals (of the past) for the most part. so you can see how there are right-wing liberals as an accurate description of some of them too

2018-07-09 00:27:39 UTC

don't you know

2018-07-09 00:27:44 UTC

the parties switched

2018-07-09 00:27:55 UTC

so it was really the democrats that freed the slaves

2018-07-09 00:27:56 UTC

πŸ˜ƒ

2018-07-09 00:28:02 UTC

I need to switch bodies then. haha

2018-07-09 00:28:08 UTC

'the coastal strategy'

2018-07-09 00:28:34 UTC

how many republican politicians were assassinated by the kkk again?

2018-07-09 00:28:47 UTC

over a hundred or so?

2018-07-09 00:28:49 UTC

That's racist. lol

2018-07-09 00:28:52 UTC

and zero democrats

2018-07-09 00:29:21 UTC

this is a "stellar" read

2018-07-09 00:29:22 UTC

who wrote amendment 13... republican πŸ˜›

2018-07-09 00:29:30 UTC

BUT THEY SWITCHED

2018-07-09 00:29:43 UTC

around the time of who the hell knows when

2018-07-09 00:30:11 UTC

classical liberalism... generally starting with Adam Smith and so on of the original classial liberals

2018-07-09 00:30:31 UTC

or perhaps in Britain even before that?

2018-07-09 00:31:34 UTC

they didnt really "switch" bcuz the racist south just become less and less racist to the point now that deep south conservatives will now predictably favor a black conservative over a white liberal

2018-07-09 00:31:47 UTC

I believe the first act to stop slavery was around 1773 or something in the UK

2018-07-09 00:32:18 UTC

and then a final act in 1808 to spend a fortune on the navy to stop it worldwide

2018-07-09 00:33:05 UTC

not to mention Dinesh D'Souza goes into detail about how the switch from majority blacks to the democratic party far outdated the so called "switch" from taking place

2018-07-09 00:33:52 UTC

God, I hate how people on both sides conflate Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism, with people are pro-socialism say "oh, you want health care? That means you want Socialism!" and people who are against welfare saying "We can't institute government assistance programs because that's Socialism and Socialism is evil".

2018-07-09 00:34:21 UTC

really gets my goat

2018-07-09 00:34:23 UTC

Dinesh D'Souza and Cenk debated about that once at Politicon

2018-07-09 00:34:26 UTC

I am pro-Health. Less regulations and taxes regarding health.

2018-07-09 00:34:41 UTC

Health is a human right. But not a Constitutional right.

2018-07-09 00:35:02 UTC

so the Dems were behind enacting the Jim Crow laws, etc

2018-07-09 00:35:19 UTC

Both Abortion and Health care decisions should be done at the state level.

2018-07-09 00:35:50 UTC

Life, is an unalienable right according to the Declaration of Independence, and health has overlap with that.

2018-07-09 00:36:47 UTC

and they were against repealing the Jim Crow laws too .... that was NOT TOO long ago.....

2018-07-09 00:36:48 UTC

Does Life mean the protection of your Health or your protection of Living?

2018-07-09 00:37:01 UTC

health doesn't have to overlap with that

2018-07-09 00:37:06 UTC

at least not in the way you're arguing

2018-07-09 00:37:27 UTC

because does your right to health require someone else to intervene against their will?

2018-07-09 00:37:40 UTC

i.e. a health professional?

2018-07-09 00:37:48 UTC

do you have a "right" to their services?

2018-07-09 00:38:18 UTC

and if so, where do you draw the line

2018-07-09 00:38:36 UTC

Not all health does; like being overweight doesn't mean my right to life gives me the right to a gym, but in certain cases their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare

2018-07-09 00:38:36 UTC

do you have a right to a plumber's services to fix your sewage line because it can spread disease?

2018-07-09 00:38:38 UTC

that is, right because nobody has the right to prevent you from seeking it and for making your own health choices and decisions w/o having somebody be forced to pay for wreckless choices of others' health lifestyle/choices/decisions

2018-07-09 00:39:20 UTC

for the record, I'm not totally against a single payer / safety net type system

2018-07-09 00:39:31 UTC

I'm not just not sure what it should be, for the US

2018-07-09 00:39:38 UTC

I'm not for it either

2018-07-09 00:39:51 UTC

well... there are private healthcare clinics already available out there..... so of course healthcare is part of the natural organic market economy

2018-07-09 00:39:55 UTC

And I certainly don't know the right way to implement such systems, and wouldn't want a poorly thought out system to be implemented just in the pursuit of progress

2018-07-09 00:40:02 UTC

exactly

2018-07-09 00:40:03 UTC

a solid libertarian case for forcing a doctor to care for you against their will?

2018-07-09 00:40:13 UTC

there isn't one

2018-07-09 00:40:18 UTC

No one said there was one.

2018-07-09 00:40:26 UTC

Don't pretend people are saying what they're not.

2018-07-09 00:41:00 UTC

I also think a single payer system will stifle health-related research progress

2018-07-09 00:41:12 UTC

"their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare"

given that the context was about healthcare being a human right, care to explain how that wouldn't mean a doctor would be forced to care for you?

2018-07-09 00:41:44 UTC

People are self servng, they want to make money and as much of it.. healthcare is lucrative and that attracks thos ethat can spend r&d money

2018-07-09 00:42:01 UTC

Because literally no one said anything about forcing someone to do work. I meant it being paid for through taxes.

2018-07-09 00:42:31 UTC

Libertarian doesn't mean anarchy. Thomas Paine is frequently sited as a libertarian, and he was in favor of UBI.

2018-07-09 00:43:05 UTC

here's about as socialist as I'll go.. I don't think that anyone in a country as weathly as ours should have their entire lives ruined, financially, etc, because they get unlucky with something health related, ie. cancer

2018-07-09 00:43:13 UTC

I just don't know what the answer is on that

2018-07-09 00:43:21 UTC

yeah, that would be like a VERY "positivistic" health care because they would just MAGICALLY give themselves the right to impose medical procedures onto YOU whether you like it or not

2018-07-09 00:43:34 UTC

Nothing socialist about that if you ask me.

2018-07-09 00:43:55 UTC

A voluntrarily "pay for what you want into it" healthcare system?

2018-07-09 00:44:10 UTC

pay whsat you want never works

2018-07-09 00:44:15 UTC

people don't want to pay

2018-07-09 00:44:16 UTC

note that i edited "healthcare" with medical procedures....

2018-07-09 00:44:38 UTC

Not a HSA but sort of alike a Volunteer Medicare for all. You are not forced, but if you want to, you can pay into it as a whole.

2018-07-09 00:44:48 UTC

wont work either

2018-07-09 00:44:51 UTC

thats basically obamacare

2018-07-09 00:45:14 UTC

because to call medical services stuff "healthcare" is a misnomer as they really only manage illness, diseases, and injuries

2018-07-09 00:45:36 UTC

health insurance companies are part of the problem with inflated prices in the US. which is just another reason obamacare was a flop

2018-07-09 00:46:10 UTC

only you can decide to choose healthy living and well being to take premeptive care of your health into your own hands

2018-07-09 00:46:29 UTC

im also not against people make money

2018-07-09 00:46:30 UTC

buuut

2018-07-09 00:46:42 UTC

I do have a moral delimma of people making money over someone elses misery

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