i mean you wouldnt be pushing people away from some nation border

under sharia law women is property right ?

i have the skeleton of an argument that a homestead can be nation, but that is for a different time, and not fleshed out at the moment

but you have something to defend

i.e your property

yeah, but for that you would need immigrants trespassing on your actual property, not just going across a border to seek housing and jobs

this is off topic

countries are not in the example previously

sorry what are we talking about?

you have a group of people, or perhaps just 1 person to start, who have decided to start attacking another group, for whatever reason.

they are not currently any threat to you

i image you don't do anything

i mean, why would you?

unless you are friends or something. but we are assuming just acquaintances , far on the other side of town, or the valley or something.

is the problem that the attacked group doesnt have a state military to defend them, or whats the angle?

its just two groups in an an-cap world.

a conflict has arisen to the point of armed disagreement.

its far enough removed that you don't know the origin point

no idea who the actual aggressor is

just that you see it happening

so basically a gang conflict?

or two rival families

maybe some honor thing

but more or less

you have no reason to assume it will spread

not to you anyway

it's just regular crime, you can have defense firms and private police

right, but you have no reason to get involved

do you?

well do the victims need help with defense or not?

who is the victim?

you don't know them well enough

the people getting killed

from the conflict

its an armed conflict, people are getting shot at from both sides

you don't know which side attacked first

maybe one side opened up from their property and the other is trying to end it

all you know is two groups started fighting, and one side starts to lose.

they still have not directly threatened you

the violence is contained for the most part to these two neighboring properties

it depends entirely on the context, if they have private policing established, if they both have defense agencies there is dispute resolution agencies and arbitration

what is private policing?

or have they decided not be involved in those things and chosen to live out in the wasteland on their own

who is paying for private policing?

I would assume private police would work like ambulance

you could have crowdfunding, or you could have membership fees, or any funding method you could possibly think of that doesnt involve coercion

you get a bill at the end

so, what if they didn't feel like they needed the police

So pure volunteerism

then they should have the freedom to live with that choice and deal with the consequences

their neighbors might pay for the police, but these 2 groups felt strong enough they didn't need it

so, you let them fight it out then

it kind of reminds me of antia and far right groups come dressed ready for a fight

not a bad comparison

maybe they should be allowed to if they are all okay with the consequences

you just let them duke it out, so long as it doesn't spill over

if it doesnt hurt anyone elses property or health

right

okay, one side loses

you now have just one group where there was two

one side has now laid claim to the other groups property

you do anything?

oh interesting point

i dont know if it would be more fair if someone else gets the loot

by someone else, do you mean the group that won, or someone not involved with the conflict?

i mean like some corporation or government

there is no corporation or government yet. its just a tribe

lets go with 2 families

happened often enough in history

well i assume the killed group would have had friends or family, perhaps they have a higher claim to the property

i havent really explored those thoughts much

Would it be possible for someone with lots of power and influence to buy out the private police?

yeah but the point is that there would be competitors

Saw a comment in sargons video would make a good t-shirt : make Orwell fiction again

lets say it was two families who feuded, and both sides brought in the friends willing to fight. So we are talking probably a few different pieces of properties on both sides. like gang or mob warfare. but just like mob or gang warfare, it stayed in the relevant turfs. outside these 2 territories you have private police. so that keeps things contained.

so you dont have a monopoly on police like you have today, where the only police force is definitely bought and paid for

what about an oligopoly?

@NativeInterface how much of the market needs to be covered to be considered a monopoly?

i mean, no 1 government has a monopoly of the world

i feel like you're talking about exotic edge cases, grenade. most people dont want to kill each other, they just want to be left alone to do their thing.

uhhhh

I disagree

I HAVE A THEORY

please don't dodge. i ask edge cases to find the edges.

NYtimes gets atak becuz of sarah ling ling jeoung

because sometimes, there is a hole

NYtime calls up fb and jeewtube and says hey the right is atak us pls divert news off of use ... they sed ok we kil alex jones ..... THEY KIL ALEX JONES ON MONDAY

so, how big or small of an area is considered a monopoly

Sarah Ching chong jeoung no longer top story wtf

obviously there are hundreds of countries.

so it clearly has a size

at which point it doesn't matter if there is other options

@Rabbi Shekels it seems like it would be too late to have the desired effect

What did they mean by this ?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/06/women-more-likely-to-survive-heart-attack-if-treated-by-female-doctor-study

My bulshit sensor red light is flashing

i would laugh if that was true

ER doctors are misogynists obv

there are obviously millions of difficult situations that are not easy to have an answer for, but what im advocating is not that different from what we have today. i just would prefer it to not be funded with coercion and justify any particular group of having a monopoly on everything. otherwise you can solve these challenges in any way you want.

@ExceptionalFeather tru but watch how this whole week it will be about jones and not ching chong