I think it's important that everyone feels that way.

No

The mourning

I said people have the choice

That's it's terrible and not to be normalized.

Oh

I think people should have a choice

Yeah it's personal for me

its not terrible, now you're pushing morality to it

You can't force people to mourn

it just shouldn't be promoted like "I wish i had an abortion! because it raises my feminism"

I got an abortion to show that I can do what I want with my body

Shit like that Michelle wolf video

yes that is bad

Where she promotes abortion

Its horrifying

i became a level 5 feminist now!!!

It's like something out of a parody

*oh wait something is happening*

this chat made me a level 5 cancer

But it's completely unironic

What the hell man

I view the abortion debate as a morality question, and im universally against pushing morality onto people, so long as what they're doing isnt hurting others.
The problem in this case, is many pro-life people consider the fetus always alive, and a person, so to them it is hurting another person.

People should be taught that abortion is a last case scenario and learn to not get to the point where it's needed in the first place.

I dont get /promoting/ abortion though

That seems nonsensical

your feminist evolved into

FEMINAZI

"Abortion needs to be on the dollar menu"

"It shouldn't be expensive"

Abortion should be there, if needs be, it shouldn't be covered by healthcare, it should be cheap

And it shouldn't be up for debate by moralists

LOL i would not want aborted fetuses on teh dollar menu

sounds liek some alex jones shit

Fun fact

I would argue that if morality wasn't factored into most things in life we would be in a really bad situation.

There was an investigation recently

About a piece of plastic being found under a tree

name 1 thing that hasn't happened due to morality in the world?

Without morality eugenics would be preferred dude

well in denmark

And many other horrible things

well you shoudn't birth some people if you know they'll suffer as a result

theyve used abortions to virtually eliminate down syndrom in their population

Without morality what hitler did is perfectly sensible

*hitlering intensifies*

I like the simple "If it doesnt hurt anybody else, you can do it."

Hitler did nothing wrooooooong! 😄

Solves alot of problems that dont need to be problems.

@Scarlet Child sex slavery

Hurts the child

without morality, people wouldn't allow hitler to do it, because they wouldn't have a morally justified reason to burn Jews

well with some examples of hereditary diseases its a 50 50 chance youre born with it

Not if you are drugging them

Yes without morality you don't really have a concept of right/wrong.

they felt justified cuz "Jews took all our money"

@Dr.Wol not really

If there are no morals you can just do whatever.

and alot of people (my exes dad) dont get tested till theire well into adulthood

White people in the west, are like Jews back in Nazi Germany, only they were a minority, and we're still a majority

Jews were framed as making chaos with Catholics

for huntingtons specifically in this case

@Deleted User

also you don't need morals to have a sense of right/wrong

You just don't feel bad if you commit a wrong

ayyyy sociopaths ftw

look at leaders of the world

American leaders for an easy example

yeah i mean beign versed in moral ambiguity helps

"Oh we must protect people, justice blabla"

And you shoot children with drone strikes "Oops, it was wrong info"

they don't care eihter

If they had no sense of right/wrong they'd just say "well shit happens"

but they sugarcoat it

when youre arguing pragamtics

and they start arguing semantics

besides, morality is subjective

Muslims find it morally acceptable to rape women who dress provocatively

subjectivity is subjective

i like the objectivists for arguing the objectivity of perceiving subjectivity

the issues with morals, is that every person has their own

Its what they find acceptable / wrong

And your list of acceptable things isn't close to mine 😄

Western nations (mainly the US) were founded on Christian values so if I was going to base morality off something I'd use that as the example rather than Islam.

and defining the line between subjective and objective

go ahead, it won't change the fact that christian morals are different from Islam morals

or should i say the tangling web

Of course if you aren't religious then morality is subjective.

I would suggest that not all moral systems are equal by virtue of their output

or Jewish morals

Secular morals

SJW morals

that connects them epistemelogically

Russian Morals vs Amerian morals

If you are religious then you have a defined set of morals but applied to your own faith.

yes

just like in your country you have a defined set of morals too

If you think you follow the only true faith then your values aren't subjective.

that don't necesserialy apply in others

Of course it's all hypothetical really.

well by your own perception

So the question then is,

Who is right?

Who's morals are the right ones?

The ones that produce the least shitty societies

Because unless you can prove the existence of god then you can't prove a non subjective set of morals.

Honestly, even for the religious, morals arent often set in stone.