No offense, but I feel like you are not arguing in earnest.

I feel like I am getting a heap of BS.

You've been talking this whole time about _legislation_

except in the case of Zuker

I've been giving you a whole list of concrete examples, and all I feel I am getting is hyperbole.

in the U.S, the Congress makes legislation

the innocence project is 7 years old

If you don't want to honestly debate me, dont.

the post*

@Timcast IIRC the up to date data are similar

I found that 73% of the cases on their site involved rape in some way

Yes, the article is a little older.

All indicators are that it has become worse since, not better.

I'm not arguing against that

Rape are about 1/20th of all violent crimes, according to the DoJ.

I'm saying that these issues do not come from _the courts_, which is why I bothered to dissent from what you were saying in the first place.

The Innocence Project takes all cases, based on merit. Yet, more than half of their exonerations are for rape.

To me that indicates that rape cases are staggeringly overrepresented in exonerations.

my point is that the courts are still as faithful to legislation as they were 20, 40 years ago

even if the rights of the accused have been degraded legislatively

I feel like I am just being given bullshit for a problem that has taken on epidemic proportions.

You are reading what I'm saying and plastering a generic disagreement over an actual point I'm making.

No, there is not just the law, but also the implementation of it.

most of the problems which have arisen recently in regard to this come from legislation

Starr, Sonja B. "Estimating gender disparities in federal criminal cases." American Law and Economics Review 17.1 (2014): 127-159.

the propensity of courts and juries to misjudge rape cases is nothing new

Starr, Sonja B., and M. Marit Rehavi. "Mandatory sentencing and racial disparity: Assessing the role of prosecutors and the effects of Booker." Yale LJ 123 (2013): 2.

Tillyer, Rob, Richard D. Hartley, and Jeffrey T. Ward. "Differential treatment of female defendants: Does criminal history moderate the effect of gender on sentence length in federal narcotics cases?." Criminal justice and behavior 42.7 (2015): 703-721.

the legislation harming the defense's ability to present a case _is_ new, as you were saying.

Lim, Claire SH, Bernardo S. Silveira, and James M. Snyder. "Do judges’ characteristics matter? ethnicity, gender, and partisanship in texas state trial courts." American Law and Economics Review 18.2 (2016): 302-357.

Are you going to give me more fog or do you actually want to honestly debate me?

I don't want to debate you, because I agree with you

Yay me.

except on the small matter of _the courts_ getting worse.

I don't think that _the courts are getting worse_.

Okay, I'm not sure if that's some kind of nitpicking, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt there.

I think that the courts have been as bad at the things mentioned in that body of research for the last 40-60 years as they are today.

Fine. I'm just a bird.

Is there any other crime as emotionally charged as rape?

No, not really.

And in fact, the meta-emotional nature of it is astounding.

Yes, ordering pineapple on pizza.

The fact that it is emotionally charged leads people to tell people about how emotionally charged it is

Except for the fact that men falsely accused of rape are, to be blunt, rarely go to trial, let alone get convicted

and the emotionality becomes amplified by people hearing others be emotional about it.

Did you get that from a fortune cookie or a feminist infographic? @Ace K

It's called reality dude, but thanks for being a whiner about it.

...

Sorry for being so whiny.

guys

It's in my nature.

calm the fuck down, both of you

this is no way to converse about anything.

If I calmed down any further, you might no longer detect a pulse.

@Ace K If you want to come in here and just stir the pot, you'll be the least missed among us.

WOW WO WOW

DUDE CALM DOWN!

WHA TTHE HELL

DOES IT RELALY MATTER WHICH POKEMON IS BEST?1

you too man

quit having a seizure

Squirtle or you're dead

it's embarrassing

I've been here for a long while dude. And how the heck is stating reality 'stiring the pot'?

https://giphy.com/gifs/vk7VesvyZEwuI

@Ace K because you couch it in this snooty "it's called reality, faggot, you've just been SEEEERVED" attitude.

Just makes people want to punch you in the face, so to speak.

Though I'm not the sort to do or even think of such things.

Reality and feminism mix about just as well as bleach and ammonia.

LOL what.....

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1048728639829893120

But doing that kills people. Oh, wait....

@Undead Mockingbird bleach and ammonia mix just fine, thank you very much.

I think it's safe to say that if you use the phrase "fortune cookie or a feminist infographic?" when pointing out that men rarely go to trial when falsely accused; being snooty should be the least of your problems. Makes you look like snowflakes who can't handle dissenting opinion.

Not bad, huh?

I thought that up myself.

you see, both of you resorted straight to name calling

if you just want to fight, do it in a DM.

nobody here can benefit from watching you bicker about what mean names you call eachother next.

I NEVER CALLED THAT JERK ANY NAMES!

What are you talking about?

Fuck you, you butt.

you compared his stupid snooty comment to a "fortune cookie feminist infographic"

which, while accurate, doesn't really help much with anything.

AH, right.

That was a good one.

Good times.

The irony is really lost on you, Xorgy.

shut up

Um: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Project

I think i'll frame that one.

Look at how many are about rape/sexual assault

It's better to go the Registry of Exonerations.

You have a full text search there.

True, it was a quick look up

And how many are about rape/sexual assault?

278 of the cases they list on their site

of 362

Really? Well in that case. That proves my point.

so ~%77