and that thousands of people have already been victimized

I'm just saying that it ain't the courts doing it.

It's almost everyone else's fault but the courts.

No offense, but I feel like you are not arguing in earnest.

I feel like I am getting a heap of BS.

You've been talking this whole time about _legislation_

except in the case of Zuker

I've been giving you a whole list of concrete examples, and all I feel I am getting is hyperbole.

in the U.S, the Congress makes legislation

the innocence project is 7 years old

If you don't want to honestly debate me, dont.

the post*

@Timcast IIRC the up to date data are similar

I found that 73% of the cases on their site involved rape in some way

Yes, the article is a little older.

All indicators are that it has become worse since, not better.

I'm not arguing against that

Rape are about 1/20th of all violent crimes, according to the DoJ.

I'm saying that these issues do not come from _the courts_, which is why I bothered to dissent from what you were saying in the first place.

The Innocence Project takes all cases, based on merit. Yet, more than half of their exonerations are for rape.

To me that indicates that rape cases are staggeringly overrepresented in exonerations.

my point is that the courts are still as faithful to legislation as they were 20, 40 years ago

even if the rights of the accused have been degraded legislatively

I feel like I am just being given bullshit for a problem that has taken on epidemic proportions.

You are reading what I'm saying and plastering a generic disagreement over an actual point I'm making.

No, there is not just the law, but also the implementation of it.

most of the problems which have arisen recently in regard to this come from legislation

Starr, Sonja B. "Estimating gender disparities in federal criminal cases." American Law and Economics Review 17.1 (2014): 127-159.

the propensity of courts and juries to misjudge rape cases is nothing new

Starr, Sonja B., and M. Marit Rehavi. "Mandatory sentencing and racial disparity: Assessing the role of prosecutors and the effects of Booker." Yale LJ 123 (2013): 2.

Tillyer, Rob, Richard D. Hartley, and Jeffrey T. Ward. "Differential treatment of female defendants: Does criminal history moderate the effect of gender on sentence length in federal narcotics cases?." Criminal justice and behavior 42.7 (2015): 703-721.

the legislation harming the defense's ability to present a case _is_ new, as you were saying.

Lim, Claire SH, Bernardo S. Silveira, and James M. Snyder. "Do judges’ characteristics matter? ethnicity, gender, and partisanship in texas state trial courts." American Law and Economics Review 18.2 (2016): 302-357.

Are you going to give me more fog or do you actually want to honestly debate me?

I don't want to debate you, because I agree with you

Yay me.

except on the small matter of _the courts_ getting worse.

I don't think that _the courts are getting worse_.

Okay, I'm not sure if that's some kind of nitpicking, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt there.

I think that the courts have been as bad at the things mentioned in that body of research for the last 40-60 years as they are today.

Fine. I'm just a bird.