I don't even have to say anything, @Dr.Wol steals my words anyway

Gonna poach Dems and Repubs for it lel

no, we need extreme center!

Take the best from BOTH, and blatantly execute anyone that wants to promote uncontrolled welfare/immigration
And unregulated monopolies

People like Bret Weinstein and Sam Harris, I'd say

Eh, it's more I didn't really care about either party in the past because I thought they'd properly call each other out when going too far. But now they call each other out for breathing.

Even jbp is a liberal

STEAL!?

Fite me boi!!

Q(o_x)Q

Ow my eyeball

@Deleted User I think that's arguable

we do need a radical centrist

i.e. a center that doesn't budge to left/right extremes

So long as moderates get involved in the Dems I think the marxists can be stopped

Call them out

@.B he said so himself

People like Bret Weinstein are hounded by leftists though @Lagomaster24

Bret and JBP are liberal, and do believe in socialism but know the issues with carrying them out

At least Peterson himself says so.

actually I think JBP is pro capatalist

like i said

Define all the far right things that are a problem
Define all the far left things that are a problem

Ban those forever, ban communism, ban socialism, ban ancap
And execute everyone who doesn't agree! 😂

Extremist Centrism!!

I'm anti-Farthy

Well he believes that there needs to be social services to ensure that there is no significant group of impoverished

Or else it will cause a revolt that will result in more socialism

JBP is pro Self-determination
Everyone should get a chance to lift themselves up in life

a chance for everyone to lift themselves up

I think we're missing the bigger picture, which is right now, we're in a competent hierarchy and many people can't compete

Jbp has a consern for the low IQ people and to income inequality, which pushes him to the left. But aside from that he alligns on conservativism most of the time

@Dr.Wol extremist centrism is nazism

^

nazi's were socialists

I highly recommend

Nationalist

Socialist

Extremely centrist

everyone watch JBP on JRE from the 2nd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xc7DN-noAc

its basically all of his points succint and well thought out compared to before

He is known for questioning his own opinions when facts surface

many rehash, but way better explained

Theres also one with Theo Von as well

because he's had a chance to work on his delivery

THat ones was alot more chill though

Nationalist Socialist,

They took money from the Jews cuz the jews were rich,
Seized the means of production, and told the factory owners to keep working
They wanted 1 Realm, 1 People, 1 Leader

Their party was the National LABOR party

@Dr.Wol most honest people still put them at extreme center

Disonest ones try to put them on the right

But I agree with what you said 😅

innocent people put them on the center, because those people didn't examine Nazi's actions thorough enough 😦

but when you have one side calling the other side racists, but in actuality they kick out the racists just like both sides, then you have an communication problem

theyc an be extreme center left/right but they're totally authoritarian on the auth/libertarian spectrum

You have a communication problem when you let people redefine words to mean whatever they want depending on the situation

there's 2 axis remember

When one side changes the definition of racism it means they don’t kick out actual racists.

not everything is left right

many things are collective/individual

that is the left-right spectrum

Nah

disagree

Left is collective(group), Right is Self-determination (individual)

two spectrums

Not at all

Top-down spectrum is a different one, tahts authoritarian vs liberal

I'm in Japan. They are very capitalistic but still with a lot of collectivism

you can be center authortarian

Right sacrifices personal liberty for economic freedom.

And left is the opposite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_compass#/media/File:Political_chart.svg

right doesn't sacrifice personal liberty

there are 4 quadrants to the compass

hence more than just left/right

different spectrum

If anything, the right are now more pro freedom than the left

But they are on a different axes

It's *now*

right have always been more pro-freedom

The right is the side fighting for personal liberty

The values are changing

But

VUT

it was the evangelists that were against freedoms for say gay rights, etc

values like freedom of speech are liberalism

It's worth noting as well that while Mussolini put a classical liberal in charge of the economy and privatized a lot of shit, that popular fascist sentiment was that peak capitalism was what lead to a successful socialist revolution

you don't get to change values, thats what the lying left does

And with that you can make your enemy anything bad, and yourself the saints

brighting the right up to the authoritarian side

They happened to be on the right, but only really agreed on tradisionalist values

Evangelical, not Evangelist, different things

yes that

The impression I get is that saying fascists are right wing capitalists is like saying that the witch was a caring surrogate mother for fattening up Hansel

liberals hating on a guy they haven't heard of two days ago

well "true" fascism is centrist authoritarian

Everyone is part of the state military,
The government is one absolute party that can change things fast so you can adapt to anything quickly (at the time military matters)
And the state "owns" the companies (so it can demand money to fund war)
But the factories make their own capital

so Fascism is essentially capitalism, that can turn militant socialist on demand

Ofc when you can get this absolute power, people (corruptable) will take it and wont give it up
Thats why the Nazi's were socialists

apparently center center is liberalism

https://78.media.tumblr.com/a1268c21edfc31d07571e207bcf80a36/tumblr_mj3qwpKM7M1qcsvrio1_500.png

that's a good compass btw

there should actually be a 3rd axis nowadays

which is?

that would also be a 3d model lol

😄

Heirarchy/Egality

Dang, according to that, I'm an activist 😦

I’m libertarian capitalism.