what do you think about western progressives being "tolerant" towards islam?

Is it actual interest or something to gain voters and then throw away? there are contrasting principles between the two.

so I wonder what will it be like in the future once islam is a bit more enstablished and attitudes will shift

I don't know what they mean with tolerant. They want to make sure muslims can get jobs, but they are usually against people practicing the religion. I don't trust them

they mean that islam should be accepted, but at the same time they seem to want a westernization of it

so to speak

they did the same with christianity at first in my country. they picked and chose what was deemed good and said the rest was bigoted

then some others pushed for atheism

my country, italy, has all young people atheist or agnostic, very few are christians, and those are mocked

especially for pedophilia and bad Church conduct.

or just because of reddit atheism seeping

True, same in norway. Christians today usually just change their religion to fit with whatever the atheists consider trendy. Pure degeneracy. Christians are mocked here as well and they mock themselves. Which is why people react so strongly to Muslims because muslims generally don't mock their own religion or tolerate that others do. If Jesus is mocked only Muslims get angry here in norway.

as it should be

I have lost all respect for christianity

its istitutions, to be precise

I used to be very faithful, but too many things go wrong

Atheism is degenerate and I feel Christians should be able to decide how they live to a larger degree. But we used to have a state church and the church leaders the last 80 years have pretty much always been atheists.

state churches are a sham

But as I always say, there is no secular reason why any moral claims are true. So atheism implies that no morality exist. For example if someone wants to kill and eat children and accepts jail or believes he can avoid it then he has no reason why he ought not do it. Unless you mix in Islam or Christianity. From a purely non-religious perspective there is no reason not to do it. They can only say it is morally wrong to kill and eat children if they don't want to do it.

they were mostly a tool of power to control religion, fitting the need of rulers. that is why the catholic church used to oppose emperors in the middle ages

religions were a moral guide for all peoples in all ages

us westeners have done a mistake

State churches are degenerate and yes it was to control the religion. Nobody can control Islam though it is a disorganised religion. Look at all the degenerate and evil Muslim leaders trying to control it. They have no chance so they just have to suppress Muslims and Muslim practices.

atheists believe in UN, human rights and similar but they mostly conflict with what they mean

They say they believe that, but those values are based largely on Christian values. There is no secular reason why any of those rights are real.

For example if an atheist leader wants to break human rights (like Sam Harris for example who thinks torture is a good thing to do) then what reason do they have not to do it?

I see most atheists focus on myths or scandals, they don't read theology

But then again, God guides who he wants to guide. There are many very smart and honest atheists. Like the philosopher J. L. Mackie (one of my main influences in moral philosophy). He wrote a great book called "The miracle of theism: arguments for and against the existence of God" which is probably the most comprehensive book on the subject. And even when he found arguments for the existence of God that he seems to think is both sound and seemingly valid that still doesn't make him believe in God. He just assumes that someone will find a good counter argument in the future. Ever since then I have not cared about arguing for the existence of God. Even if you convince someone that you have a good argument that doesn't make them believe in God. The belief that God doesn't exist is not something they have come up with by rational reasoning and therefore rational reasoning can not lead them out of it. They are completely blocked of from the almighty majesty of the universe, creator of the universe. Until they change so that they please the Lord.

@Deleted User Devon completely gave up racism and anti-Semetism (although I think he still somewhat had an 'it's the jews' though not nearly as pronounced as before), but he still liked elements of fascism like authoritarianism and excessive militarization. I would've only gave it time before he gave those up as well.

Devon is completely Salafi now

I've just witnessed a young woman who left Islam for the sole reason to have sex with her friends at college.

Worst part: I was going to ask her hand in marriage.

Salam brothers

Walaikum Salam brother

How are you

Fina Alhamdulillah

Alhamdulillah

You mind if I ask you where you’re from?

I'm from Brazil

Oh subhanallah

Are you a revert brother?

Yep

Alhamdulillah

Since 1436

Wallah 😂

Ya Allah you meant Islamic year

My bad brother

Yes, Anno Hijri

Bellator: Allah saved you from a degenerate with that girl. Are you Brazilian? My mother is from Brazil, but my father is Norwegian.

What a coincidence

My mother is also from Brazil, but my father is American

That is great, haha!

I have lived in Brazil since i was 3 though...

I have lived in Norway my whole life (except I also lived two years in Scotland)

Where in Brazil? How is it to be Muslim in Brazil? I assume they better understand the idea of believing in God (something that is completely alien here in Europe)

What do you do otherwise? Work? Study?

I live in a city next to São Paulo, the biggest one in Brazil.

The people react with curiosity when I tell them that I'm a Muslim

In general, they don't have any idea of what Islam is

And they get surprised of how Islam is close to Christianity in terms of belief

The worst part though is the muslim community itself

At least where I live

I try to keep it a secret at first. But when asked I tell. I remember one guy at work who was completely shocked and disappointed. He said "But you are highly educated in the sciences?!" and he stopped himself from saying "what is wrong with you?". He just turned quiet and completely baffled.

Many people here call themselves Christians, but most don't believe in the Bible or God (according to the Eurobarometer from 2005, only approximately 25% of Christians in norway say they believe in God.) so they consider Islam a bizarre religion.

Although atheists aren't many, most people here act like them.

Just as you said

Even the muslims.

But you'll find the most incredible people among them.

You know, it was a neighbour who showed me this religion

Many atheists are perfectly nice as well of course even though they have no rational reason to.

It is Friday. Have some of you people read Surah Al Kahf as is Sunnah?

Every thot ends up committing suicide anyways

@Bellator
Do you live in Brazil

Yes

Oh I see that "muslim" was a Shia innit?

explains a lot

Many shia in places like S.America

She wasn't

oy vey

What happened

Better get the ovens

But the shia are exactly like this, here

@Jacob 🕋
A girl who I used to know left Islam to have sex with her friends

Wew

eww

Some interesting maps

She(tranny?) will just end up committing suicide

It's almost life the universe is set up in such a way that if you disobey Allah your entire life will end up a failure

Divine punishment is relentless

If you guys could have fought in a historical war, which one would it be?

WW2

Handshar division?

yes

The Muslim conquests under the Rashidun

the fourth islamic reich which is gonna conquer the whole world

lol fighting for the taghut @Timur

We're gonna turn it into the 4th Caliphate

lol who is we and it