Message from @Bellator

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2018-08-16 10:12:15 UTC  

I used to be very faithful, but too many things go wrong

2018-08-16 10:12:34 UTC  

Atheism is degenerate and I feel Christians should be able to decide how they live to a larger degree. But we used to have a state church and the church leaders the last 80 years have pretty much always been atheists.

2018-08-16 10:15:03 UTC  

state churches are a sham

2018-08-16 10:15:22 UTC  

But as I always say, there is no secular reason why any moral claims are true. So atheism implies that no morality exist. For example if someone wants to kill and eat children and accepts jail or believes he can avoid it then he has no reason why he ought not do it. Unless you mix in Islam or Christianity. From a purely non-religious perspective there is no reason not to do it. They can only say it is morally wrong to kill and eat children if they don't want to do it.

2018-08-16 10:15:29 UTC  

they were mostly a tool of power to control religion, fitting the need of rulers. that is why the catholic church used to oppose emperors in the middle ages

2018-08-16 10:17:14 UTC  

religions were a moral guide for all peoples in all ages

2018-08-16 10:17:23 UTC  

us westeners have done a mistake

2018-08-16 10:18:43 UTC  

State churches are degenerate and yes it was to control the religion. Nobody can control Islam though it is a disorganised religion. Look at all the degenerate and evil Muslim leaders trying to control it. They have no chance so they just have to suppress Muslims and Muslim practices.

2018-08-16 10:19:43 UTC  

atheists believe in UN, human rights and similar but they mostly conflict with what they mean

2018-08-16 10:22:01 UTC  

They say they believe that, but those values are based largely on Christian values. There is no secular reason why any of those rights are real.

2018-08-16 10:26:15 UTC  

For example if an atheist leader wants to break human rights (like Sam Harris for example who thinks torture is a good thing to do) then what reason do they have not to do it?

2018-08-16 10:33:40 UTC  

I see most atheists focus on myths or scandals, they don't read theology

2018-08-16 11:06:51 UTC  

But then again, God guides who he wants to guide. There are many very smart and honest atheists. Like the philosopher J. L. Mackie (one of my main influences in moral philosophy). He wrote a great book called "The miracle of theism: arguments for and against the existence of God" which is probably the most comprehensive book on the subject. And even when he found arguments for the existence of God that he seems to think is both sound and seemingly valid that still doesn't make him believe in God. He just assumes that someone will find a good counter argument in the future. Ever since then I have not cared about arguing for the existence of God. Even if you convince someone that you have a good argument that doesn't make them believe in God. The belief that God doesn't exist is not something they have come up with by rational reasoning and therefore rational reasoning can not lead them out of it. They are completely blocked of from the almighty majesty of the universe, creator of the universe. Until they change so that they please the Lord.

2018-08-16 17:11:57 UTC  

@Deleted User Devon completely gave up racism and anti-Semetism (although I think he still somewhat had an 'it's the jews' though not nearly as pronounced as before), but he still liked elements of fascism like authoritarianism and excessive militarization. I would've only gave it time before he gave those up as well.

2018-08-17 01:38:24 UTC  

Devon is completely Salafi now

2018-08-17 05:11:40 UTC  

I've just witnessed a young woman who left Islam for the sole reason to have sex with her friends at college.

2018-08-17 05:13:39 UTC  

Worst part: I was going to ask her hand in marriage.

2018-08-17 05:14:09 UTC  

Salam brothers

2018-08-17 05:14:50 UTC  

Walaikum Salam brother

2018-08-17 05:15:05 UTC  

How are you

2018-08-17 05:16:14 UTC  

Fina Alhamdulillah

2018-08-17 05:16:21 UTC  

Alhamdulillah

2018-08-17 05:17:20 UTC  

You mind if I ask you where you’re from?

2018-08-17 05:17:43 UTC  

I'm from Brazil

2018-08-17 05:17:56 UTC  

Oh subhanallah

2018-08-17 05:18:06 UTC  

Are you a revert brother?

2018-08-17 05:18:47 UTC  

Yep

2018-08-17 05:18:54 UTC  

Alhamdulillah

2018-08-17 05:19:20 UTC  

Since 1436

2018-08-17 05:19:35 UTC  

Wallah 😂

2018-08-17 05:20:08 UTC  

Ya Allah you meant Islamic year

2018-08-17 05:20:16 UTC  

My bad brother

2018-08-17 05:21:01 UTC  

Yes, Anno Hijri

2018-08-17 06:23:42 UTC  

Bellator: Allah saved you from a degenerate with that girl. Are you Brazilian? My mother is from Brazil, but my father is Norwegian.

2018-08-17 06:27:32 UTC  

What a coincidence

2018-08-17 06:28:15 UTC  

My mother is also from Brazil, but my father is American

2018-08-17 06:31:34 UTC  

That is great, haha!

2018-08-17 06:31:38 UTC  

I have lived in Brazil since i was 3 though...

2018-08-17 06:32:15 UTC  

I have lived in Norway my whole life (except I also lived two years in Scotland)

2018-08-17 06:33:40 UTC  

Where in Brazil? How is it to be Muslim in Brazil? I assume they better understand the idea of believing in God (something that is completely alien here in Europe)

2018-08-17 06:35:27 UTC  

What do you do otherwise? Work? Study?