Teens shouldn't be doing something that will get them pregnant

me too froski lmao

> what about if a 13 year old girl gets raped and pregnant? I am committed to adopting multiple children when I have a wife and we are starting a family. but can you ban that girl from terminating that pregnancy very early on? I would say that the only reason she couldn't terminate the pregnancy VERY early on is if someone guarantees to adopt the baby. Does that make sence?
@Kaladin it should also be noted while the emotional scars of a rape are repulsive, a healthy 13 year old girl should not have any problems carrying a child to term. Historically, while 13 is still a little early, it wasn't uncommon for girls to be married by that age and start having children.

Yeah I see what you’re saying, it’s just that I was wondering if the government could ban a middle schooler from having a kid she has no part in. Especially if the pregnancy was terminated in the first 3 weeks or something. And again I’m not advocating for that, I’m just asking questions from the perspective of a lawmaker

nah man, Im the kind of person that thinks that the woman should be allowed to decide whether she wants to abort the rape pregnancy or not, but when it comes to someone thats a minor? I dont think there should be a choice there. thats just horribly disgusting and a child should not have to go through that after that traumatizing event.

Well the government requires many things I have no say in. For instance, I was required to register for the draft when I turned 18 for no other reason then because I have an X and a Y chromosome.

@Wardog maybe I am misunderstanding you but I think it would be ever more traumatic if the government forced you to have an abortion even if you wanted to keep the child or had a family member willing to raise it. That kind of thing happens in some socialized healthcare counties where the government decides you are not fit to be a mother because say you have a mental problem and they force woman who get pregnant to have an abortion against their will.

Okay, I definitely dont agree with forcing an abortion for something like having a mental problem, but idk man. a 13 year old girl having a child...? a 13-14 year old girl (at that point) raising the child? That just doesnt seem right to me man. Abortion is wrong, it is, but sometimes I think its the lesser evil. @Stargatemaster96 I can almost understand if a family member was willing to raise it, so I might be willing to backtrack on the "minors MUST abort" thing, but I will stand by my position of women having a choice on whether or not they want to abort a rape pregnancy. There are women out there who refused to give up the child, and thats fine by me, and there are women out there who might go the extent of suicide if they have to carry the product of that horrible event for nearly a year. Its a rough and messy topic to debate on. Thats for damn sure. Also on a side note ill mention how a lot of women are afraid to come forward after a rape... and that means minors may not say anything before its too late (our education on the topic is fucking shit) or wouldnt be able to get something like The Pill. One because its intimidating, and two because kids just arent able to go to the places you could get those things because theyre too far/arent allowed out, and probably wouldnt even have the money for it anyway. They dont really get the option of taking The Pill, it probably working, and then not having to go through an abortion or pregnancy. Idk man.

tough question. for a 13 years child abortion would be the less traumatizing thing to do. the damage is already done though, but adding pregnancy and labor to that at such a young age is basically prolonging the event with 9 months . the traumatizing part about rape is that you have zero control, cant protect yourself, can loose your life in any moment also. pregnancy when you are 100% dependent and your environment could not protect you before is a nightmare, you live in constant fear

As you said, the damage has already been done. The only thing we have left is the comfort of this singular girl. The life of the child is more important than a girl's comfort. She may not be able to raise the child, but there are many adoption centers that would take that child in. It's rough, and it is in no way easy, but killing the unborn child is a coward's way out. Not to mention that you are killing a pure and innocent human being for the sake of one's own comfort.

what you need to consider is who you are willing to sacrifice

its not about comfort, ptsd is not curable

the government should not make this decision, a child can't make it yet, parents should but who knows if they qualify at all

Technically, the government isn't making a decision on the child. It's just limiting a person from advancing into a certain action(which in this case is murdering the kid).

not sure what you mean. abortion is legal, so the government is not making the decision atm

I meant after if abortion become illegal by national law.

It needs to be made illegal, by making it legal they are making a decision to let it happen

but its not that simple. cause you shoulnt have the right to make a decision over other people's life like that

What are they doing for the unborn child then?

Much like suicide eh?

Where is their say?

what you doing for the unborn child? you can't go like " oh this is want I want other people to do " and then their freedom is ripped off and they are forced to do what you think they should do . and that can go wrong in a lot of ways. thats why its not that simple

It's more like telling people what not to do.

I dont think we should make decisions about minors who were raped

as outsiders

So, your reasoning is, the solution to helping a child get through PTSD is to kill another child?

Most of our abortions are just people who fucked their lover but didn't want a child.

Our child mortality is pretty low too, in case you bring this up.

@Porcupioneer no, my reasoning is you gonna ruin one life anyway. you are willing to sacrifice the life of that kid cause they got raped

Not to mention much of the damage has already been done so it's almost pointless anyway

it sends a message that if you get raped you are not gonna be treated as a person anymore cause you got no choice at all

You have choice in literally everything but killing a child

@Rocci we specifically talked about minor rape victims

I'm just saying IN CASE you bring this up.

bring what up

Im not debating. I added my two cents

other than that I dont care if you change your mind about it or not. thankfully not my concern

The life of one person is not the choice of another. I don't care who that person is.

I said the same. the life of one person is not your choice

Exactly, the unborn are people too

so are the mothers. and you shouldn't have the right to make decisions over other people's life like that

But they are making the choice to kill the child

you are a civilian. you shouldn't have power over another person's life like that

You can't judge a person's worth based off of if they are wanted or not

I don't know, the government is restricting my liberty to kill my own.

I am not controlling them, the United States promises the people the right to Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness. None of which are obtainable if you are murdered by your own mother for the simple reasoning that she wasn't willing to raise you.

you not controlling them, but you want to. and Im saying that is just as wrong

Wait what?

What do you mean "you want to"?

She thinks that I want to control other people because I want to make abortion illegal

you said the law should be changed

And it should.

thats what you want personally

It's what I want for the lives of the 3,000 murdered children each day

since we talked abour minor rape victims, I was arguing that forcing that child to give birth is just as morally wrong

and you kept saying it doesnt matter

so we are back to how what you want would control someone's else life

It does matter, but the life of the child matters more

so in the end, according to you they should not have the freedom to escape from the nightmare

Not when the life of a child is on the line

so you would wanna make this decisions over them anyway

which is what I said

so I don't know why that was confusing

Fine, let's say I do. That still does not make abortion right.

It still falls under the category as evil because you are murdering a child.

I never said abortion is right

If it isn't right, why are you defending it's legality?

we talked about minor rape victim. its not that simple

Im not defending abortion for irresponsible 20+ bitches

I get it, it's not easy, but it is VERY simple. Kill a child, or find a home for it. Very very simple.

its not. and thats why I dont think there should be some clear cut law about this, its a case by case situation

Adoption is nice too... that's also a possibility.

Exactly

All the person has to do is birth the child

Andrea's point leads back to rape which appears to be her main concern of obtaining the child.

yeah in an ideal world every kid gets adopted. in reality most of them dont

But they still live, and still grow, and still have the potential to be successful and have an impact

My message here is... ***Don't get raped***

thats a naive approach. you should see some orphanages inside . they stab each other for a candy

And that is worse than death in your opinion?

And I'm not saying the adoption process is perfect, but it is far better than death and can be improved upon

Arrest those orphans if they attempt to murder eachother.

Or is that also government overreach?

you keep creating more problems we can't solve on a society level. sure when it comes down to murder, that's an easy decisions, murder is wrong. on a bigger scale it's not that simple. and there are many many similar shitty decisions we should make, but can't, cause it's on the line, and then the people who happen to be in the unfortunate situation are left behind with no help whatsoever

I was thinking on the lines of veterans affairs but version for "rape victims who were in an unfortunate positions and could not support their children in any way whatsoever".

there are many similar things. what about parents with horribly disabled kids. we don't kill those kids. they wouldn't kill them either. but then what do we do? we do nothing about it

Those kids will live with disabillities.

So those disabled kids would be better off unborn?

I dont know what would be better. neither does the law

It's like shooting a dog because it can't walk(only difference is animal lives don't matter).

Sorry porc.

* *The porcupines will remember that* *

You know, whenever I see my local grocery clerk with down syndrome, maybe I should think "They should have died".

Im not talking about down syndrome though .there are people born with much worse disabilities

And their life matters less?

what do you do about someone who is always gonna be mentally a baby for example

Andrea might be talking about VERY RARE cases.

They will live a hard life, maybe not even make it past a few years, but even if the child lives for a few days, they deserve to be born and given that chance

I didnt say their life matters less. it was an example that there are a lot complex situations, not just the rape victim

you for some reason wanna prove that I think people's life is worthless or something, so Im done here