She thinks that I want to control other people because I want to make abortion illegal

you said the law should be changed

And it should.

thats what you want personally

It's what I want for the lives of the 3,000 murdered children each day

since we talked abour minor rape victims, I was arguing that forcing that child to give birth is just as morally wrong

and you kept saying it doesnt matter

so we are back to how what you want would control someone's else life

It does matter, but the life of the child matters more

so in the end, according to you they should not have the freedom to escape from the nightmare

Not when the life of a child is on the line

so you would wanna make this decisions over them anyway

which is what I said

so I don't know why that was confusing

Fine, let's say I do. That still does not make abortion right.

It still falls under the category as evil because you are murdering a child.

I never said abortion is right

If it isn't right, why are you defending it's legality?

we talked about minor rape victim. its not that simple

Im not defending abortion for irresponsible 20+ bitches

I get it, it's not easy, but it is VERY simple. Kill a child, or find a home for it. Very very simple.

its not. and thats why I dont think there should be some clear cut law about this, its a case by case situation

Adoption is nice too... that's also a possibility.

Exactly

All the person has to do is birth the child

Andrea's point leads back to rape which appears to be her main concern of obtaining the child.

yeah in an ideal world every kid gets adopted. in reality most of them dont

But they still live, and still grow, and still have the potential to be successful and have an impact

My message here is... ***Don't get raped***

thats a naive approach. you should see some orphanages inside . they stab each other for a candy

And that is worse than death in your opinion?

And I'm not saying the adoption process is perfect, but it is far better than death and can be improved upon

Arrest those orphans if they attempt to murder eachother.

Or is that also government overreach?

you keep creating more problems we can't solve on a society level. sure when it comes down to murder, that's an easy decisions, murder is wrong. on a bigger scale it's not that simple. and there are many many similar shitty decisions we should make, but can't, cause it's on the line, and then the people who happen to be in the unfortunate situation are left behind with no help whatsoever

I was thinking on the lines of veterans affairs but version for "rape victims who were in an unfortunate positions and could not support their children in any way whatsoever".

there are many similar things. what about parents with horribly disabled kids. we don't kill those kids. they wouldn't kill them either. but then what do we do? we do nothing about it

Those kids will live with disabillities.

So those disabled kids would be better off unborn?

I dont know what would be better. neither does the law

It's like shooting a dog because it can't walk(only difference is animal lives don't matter).