Also locking up segments of the population that are economically unproductive in prisons is there a way to monetize said population

How will the USA be with the legalization of all Drugs...

Do you want to discuss how racist drug laws are and their Origins

Do black lives really matter or is it all just hyperbole

Does a pardon have to be specific about the crime if it's not in court yet?

I would posit it's hyperbole

@Dedkraken No.

I refer you to what Malcolm X said posted above

They can just say I pardon you for everything?

> @Zuluzeit They do kinda go hand-in-hand..
@Maw I disagree. Cops need to follow the law regardless of what laws they are enforcing. Eliminating a section of laws to enforce doesn't fix that, systemically.

It will help with interaction

Send the police force problem will start to shrink itself

@Zuluzeit The drug war has created a problem in which cops have a ton of routes they can abuse to get the result they want.

As the revenue garnered from the War on Drugs will not be available

I want to fix police systematically as well, but the drug war is another elephant of an issue.

Ok put the label If you are uneducated about this product do not use it. Or Warning Avoid Death on everything. EPA and the FDA dropped the ball on GMO's and such 30+ yrs ago and yea they still not got labels on them.

Is a pre pardon like immunity deal they are immune to all crimes up to present time?

Blanket immunity from lawsuits seems to do that @Maw

I'm not saying it's unrelated. I'm saying it's not the only contributor.

@Zuluzeit For sure, agreed.

Look at qualified immunity for one.

Nor even the most important contributor but that is a different argument.

That needs... heavy rework.

Lol ya think?

Based off of drug and drug-related crime incarceration rates it would be intellectually dishonest to state that legalizing drugs would not decrease crime in a dramatic way

Or is it just that pardon powers are so vague nobody knows what they can put in there?

@Zuluzeit Relax yo, I'm on your side.

I know. I'm agreeing. Lol

sarcasm does not seem to type too well

I suggest qualified immunity is a more fundamental problem than the actual drug laws.

Bingo

Ehh, arguable.

It is certainly arguable. My argument is that it is emblematic of the lack of motive to observe the constitution.

It's because cops are basically state tax collectors playing to win the high score in getting as many fines as they can.

It's pretty sad that Oregon has legalized meth & heroine

(And they make... a lot from that)

@Bey Already has been a thing.

It's been like that in practice for a while.

just got back. we now have powe to the heater 😄

https://lawenforcementactionpartnership.org/our-issues/drug-policy/

Law enforcement was not design to protect people from themselves

Yes, it's a cash cow. And if it can be used as an excuse to create conditions to violate civil rights, dependent on whim, all the worse.

Verses property crimes or crimes against

People

@Zuluzeit Exactly.

It incentivises it.

These are my problems with policing. It's the philosophy which drives it. Drug laws are an ancillary subject to me, not unimportant but more like an amplifier, not cause.

hmmm... maybe Rob should add a category, "general-law" for discussing everything non-specific in the legal realm.

Why should we put people in prison and fine them, take their fundamental rights in our system for being misguided? They're almost never harming other people with their drug issues.

@Bey I've talked to Faith about this.

We'll see how it goes.

Do you have anybody in your life who does drugs

Have you been exposed to people on drugs

@busillis yes and yes

@Zuluzeit The only reason no-knock raids basically came back was because of the war on drugs.

You don't believe that funding Rehabilitation rather than incarceration would be a good thing

It's a fundamental problem with the existing enforcement issues.

This was the entire purpose of the channel until Trump pre-claimed conditional rigging. Makes me dislike him even more. Didn't think that was possible.

The "War On ______" paradigm was created as a "cash cow" for the government with the intent that such a "war" will be neverending.

War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Terror, etc...

It was to fill privatized prisons when they concocted that billion dollar idea and joined ALEC.

i have the same view on the 2nd as if you do not know how to properly use, operate and secure a weapon you should not be able to own one. AKA darwin/God will work it out just fine in the end. we need not more regulations on any of it is all i am saying. Human Much?

I guess your new Jesus I'll take away all the pain make everything right in the world.

Two of those have led to terrible outcomes in the American system.

They will *always* exist in one form or another

War on terror? Everyone submitted their rights for 'security'.

Like the government was some sort of bloody mob boss.

It is insane think there are any differences between Democrats or Republicans

Both are owned and operated by wealthy business interest

I always refer to the political parties as different tenatacles on the same beast

Why is there not the will to enforce anti trust laws currently on the books

give me my 2nd i can take care of my own Security fine "GET OFF MY LAWN!"

For sure, I'm all for people to have access to their 2nd amendment rights.

Which is also another reason I fucking despise the war on drugs.

Gun laws *only* affect the Law abiding, *never* the criminal

Great, so the government gets to choose who does and doesn't have rights.

Platitudes

Are not action

For whatever reason.

Why should prior drug offenders have their rights revoked?

Even a reshaping of the rhetoric better than

Because they're 'criminals' in your mind?

Ruin their lives and make sure that they'll never become productive members of society

yea i thought the Linwood rally was way cringe myself in GA but i do respect his right to speak about it. i do not think most trump rally's are like that again just IMO

The American concept from its inception is that Rights are inherited by their Creator (whichever Creator they may believe in) and not from man and thus, What the Creator has bequeathed, no man may revoke.

@ShittyKitty Yeah, never said he should be deplatformed.

@Bey Well unfortunately the government can just take them away!

at will.

Lol yup. Can and do.

Is prohibition of drugs one of the Ten Commandments

I don't seem to remember it

Unfortunately, they do revokes one's Rights and the People have allowed it.

Just like they allowed the PATRIOT act.

Just like civil asset forfeiture

Just like trial by jury

Effectively

If the government can just take your rights basically at-will.

Are they really rights?

What percentage of cases that your firm handles actually go to a trial and are not plea bargained

Or are they a privilege?