They can go ahead and suck a big dick over this one. Remember who keeps the lights running

Same, but we don't really escape globalism if the Israeli lobby still remains powerful.

I dont mind an Israeli lobby

at least they dont try to actively destroy the US

Lolwut

they sure get the US to actively go after other countries though

I mean by supporting terrorist cells and all

yeah we are idiotic in that regard

probably not the worst country, but not the best

and I'm lukewarm on the JQ

Better than Palestine on that perspective

I think this is all gearing up for war, which is sort of scary

I don't recall Palestine stealing our uranium and nuclear triggers

did Isreal?

Yes

yes, but we don't need to have a war. Bannon got kicked out of the WH because he said there is no military solution to North Korea. I sort of have to agree.

I dont know Im relatively new to this conflict

source that please

Military Industrial Complex is real.

If its war its suadi arabia + isreal vs iran

maybe turkey with iran

Iran is misunderstood

Bannon got ousted because bannon is a fucking idiot

heresy!

Iran hates us, not much misunderstanding

Look up the Apollo Affair and Israel's egregious record of espionage

thats all suspicions, nothing confirmed, right?

Plenty confirmed

but Isreal has never indicated that they would nuke us

Palestine on the other hand...

or Iran...

Because they have nothing to gain by projection. Israel also attacked the USS Liberty

And a day before, they hit one of their own tank collumns

Iran doesn't like US because US is allied with Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Blue on blue happens way more than anyone likes to admit

Iran > Saudi Arabia

iran hates us for many other reasons my friend

it isnt just because of our allies

like what? being involoved in Iraq and Afghanistan

And because we spent 20 years propping up a puppet dictatorship

Iran doesn't like the US because we tried to work with the british to jew them out of their oil and we then propped up a puppet regime that was unpopular

There are many reasons

When was the last terrorist attack on a Western country by a Shi'a group and when was the last time a Sunni group did one

There is a lot of bad from OIF but they hated us even before that

Hezbollah and Quds Force causing problems for the US is much more rare than Sunni type extremism

We certainly do ourselves no favors though

But they stay in the Middle East where we shouldn't be. The Sunnis come over here.

Kill the saudi royal family

Yes

Problem solved

Maybe

The neolibs love the Saudi Family, good luck!

or create a power vacuum

I am personally not a fam of the saudi's

I think for the most part we should stay out of the middle east

I am not a superfan of Iran, I just don't think they're as great a threat as neocons and the media make them out to be

Fuck what neocons and the media think

Yeah, exactly

if you are unable to recognize your own bias and use it to shut down others, you are a cuckhead

They start wars a lot of times because of the defense lobby. No joke it's a very big business

i mean

If we didnt go to war after 9/11 GW would have been the worst liked president ever

My parents used to wprk for Allison engines. It's a big deal

I was in the military, it's real

same fam

We should've gone after Saudi Arabia. Osama was an asshole, but he wasn't behind 9/11

Wait who is shutting anyone down?

im saying in general

They did stuff for the civ market, but c-130 engine orders was that company's bread and butter

we are all good here

I dont know, I think either way Osama had to go down

wish we treated Saddam like Osama

Well, definitely Osama

So are you saying we should've taken out Saddam earlier?

Im saying we never should have installed him in power

that one is mostly our fault

But before him, it was the Saudis

You just can't win

this is true

thats why I want trumps travel ban, and extend it to most of these shit holes

I think we should reinstate the Immigration Act of 1790

Saddam came to power during the pan-Arab movement, so that wasn't just the US per se. Are you talking about the arms sales during the Iran-Iraq war?

Probably

I mean we've had the most opportunities to step in and curb his power and we instead sold him more weapons

I agree we shouldn't have done that. At the end of the day I think Saddam was just kind of your basic bitch strongman. I don't think he had an ideological beef with the US like Osama did.

thats true

he used us as a scapegoat though

Yeah, the cold war realpolitik came back to bite us in the butt in a lot of situations (esp. with the Taliban)

Nobody else was capable or wanted to step up to the plate against the USSR, though

true

USSR is to blame for a lot of the initial causes

Yeah, cold war we did what we had to do, but then the neolibs became the new communists, so to speak

We didn't have to fight a million and half proxy wars. We just had to follow what Eisenhower did

^

Eisenhower was a great president

But Eisenhower helped get us into Vietnam

Right war, wrong reasons

Granted Kennedy and LBJ pulled the trigger

He tried to keep us out, but CIA fucked everything up

I for one, am glad for Vietnam