Rip

So let me ask you something then

You are essentially advocating for the right for women to be in control of their property, right?

But organs?

Mhm

But sperm is by itself not life

So what’s your limits on abortion then?

Until the fetus is able to survive outside of the womb?

Or right up until birth?

What if early delivery does more damage to the woman’s body?

So what point do you support abortion until is what I’m trying to figure out

What point should it be allowed until

No

But it differs from state to state

Also just because it’s a law doesn’t make it morally right or wrong

Also over 99% of abortion s are ‘convenience’ abortions meaning that, following your logic, there would be a point to just kill the baby after birth if the woman doesn’t want it

After all there’s a reason to kill it

But do you see abortion as a killing/murder?

Then that makes it wrong

Morally

That’s the issue up in the air

Correct. We must look at individual cases

But we can also make generalizations

I must not walk down the street and stab the first person I see

Most people are like that

If you look at the statistics

Honestly I had no position on abortion until I saw some of the insane statistics

Pretty much

Culturally in America we are not taught that the fetus is a life

Correct, but we must also recognize where our rights come from

People are not given rights

No, everyone has rights granted to them solely by existing. The purpose of government is to take away rights that infringe on others

Exactly

That’s why the second amendment is there

You have the right to protect your own rights, and not rely on the government

The constitution is a set of beliefs and ideas

And those are impossible to kill

Anyways back to my original point

You acknowledge that the government is in place to protect the rights of the innocent, correct?

Should the government protect those who cannot protect themselves?

We acknowledge that abortion is killing, after all

The fetus from early termination, without being threatening to the mothers life

So the rights of property supercedes the rights to life?

So you think it’s fine if a woman knowingly gets pregnant and plans an abortion from day 1?

^

I would agree

Unless it’s to protect an innocent life

Absolutely because life should be held as the highest priority

Let me ask you this then

What rights is the fetus taking away from the mother

All recent mass shootings have happened in gun free zones

Have you been to China?

It doesn’t matter

China isn’t built on the foundational citizen rights hat we have

Earlier question: what freedoms is a fetus taking from their mother?

There is also a lot of crime in China

A lot of stabbings and kidnappings

Doesn’t matter

To present a more fair argument

I would suggest presenting the number of bullets fired vs the number of bullets resulting in injury for each country

Again, 99% of abortions are convienence abortions

Rape isn’t a good metric to use for the majority

Also

Should we hold the fetus responsible for the sins of the parent?

You should absolutely care what the reason is

Using your right = killing a fetus

Abortion is not a right

Only if they agreed with the state

🤔

Exactly

Everyone has natural rights, and the government restricts them when you harm ‘society’

If someone is squirting in you, you are most likely letting them

Pregnancy is something so easily avoided

Do you want a baby? No? Then here, wear this 99cent balloon

Done

A 99cent balloon vs taking a human life and scarring the mother

Birth control is literally so cheap I have a years worth in my closet

Yes

Absolutely

If doing so does not harm the mother

@ebowden what rights is the fetus taking away from the mother

Do you know how the propagation of a species works?

That is literally their purpose in life

In one scenario we have no violation of rights. In the other scenario we have the massive violation of ones rights

By your own logic

Sex is a contract, if unprotected you realize you could be making a child

It’s not like we haven’t known this

Birth control is cheaper than its ever been

There is literally no excuse for a convenience abortion

99% of abortions are for convenience

Cdc

Yes one second

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

Sorry, 96% are convenience

Ummmmmmm I mean adoption is a thing

If a 99cent condom could prevent your life being ruined...

Dude adoption is so overwhelmingly popular here

If you take all steps to prevent pregnancy and still get pregnant I’ll support abortion

The point is that people don’t take the steps to avoid pregnancy because abortion is so easily accessable