Birth control is literally so cheap I have a years worth in my closet

So, you guys believe that foetus' have the right to the use of womens' organs?

Yes

Absolutely

If doing so does not harm the mother

I do not believe that anyone has the right to use anyone else's organs, no matter what.

We simply disagree.

@ebowden what rights is the fetus taking away from the mother

What does that have to do with anything?

everything

It is the state, not the foetus that would enforce the right of the foetus to use her organs.

An abortion can result in medical complications later in life; the risk of ectopic pregnancies doubles and the chance of a miscarriage and pelvic inflammatory disease also increas

I simply do not believe that it should be codified in law that women are to be human life support machines.

So I would rather a baby used my organs that destroyed them in later life because of an abortion

Do you know how the propagation of a species works?

Plus, in almost all circumstances (except for rape) the woman consented to having the fetus exist in the first place

That is literally their purpose in life

No.

That is not how consent works.

Exactly ^^

Walking around a bad neigbourhood in scant clothes can be a bad idea.

But you are not consenting to rape, even thought there might be a high chance of it happening.

I'm against it bc I don't think is just a lump of cells.

In one scenario we have no violation of rights. In the other scenario we have the massive violation of ones rights

By your own logic

Just as you are not consenting to be POSed by having unprotected sex, no matter what leftists have to say about.

I get it, you personally don't like the idea of people taking responsibility for their own poor decision making

Oh snap

Not at all.

yet you advocate for convenience abortions

Sex is a contract, if unprotected you realize you could be making a child

People should be responsible for their own actions in life. In terms of rape that choice of their actions was stripped

It’s not like we haven’t known this

It’s not hard to grasp really

Birth control is cheaper than its ever been

I do not advocate for doing abortions out of convenience, I just don't believe that people should lose their rights because someone decides they have the wrong reason.

There is literally no excuse for a convenience abortion

99% of abortions are for convenience

Where did you get this stat?

Cdc

Link?

Yes one second

Even if it's true, it doesn't matter. You have rights even if your reasons are bad ones.

What about the original doc?

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

Thankyou.

Sorry, 96% are convenience

Not having your life ruined is "convenience"?

Ummmmmmm I mean adoption is a thing

So, they don't want to put a child in the foster system?

If a 99cent condom could prevent your life being ruined...

So they kill it instead

Again, no.

Dude adoption is so overwhelmingly popular here

So, no children are in foster care?

Seems odd that the system would have to exist if adopting out a kid to someone good was just so simple.

Birth control prevents pregnancy, except for when it doesn't.

You do everything right and still get pregnant.

You can follow all road rules and still get run over.

if it didn't prevent it then chances are it's damaged the fetus beyond the point of it being ok to let it live

If you take all steps to prevent pregnancy and still get pregnant I’ll support abortion

Marriage would be a nice solution.

The point is that people don’t take the steps to avoid pregnancy because abortion is so easily accessable

I support rights in general, not only if I like their reasons for using the rights.

You said though that the fetus doesn’t take away any rights whatsoever

In the same way the human immunovirus is not a person.

You support rights in general except when they are an inconvenience?

Neither chose to enter you.

That’s such a false equivalency

aye, but you chose to let it enter (except for rape and birth control failure)

No, I just don't believe anyone has the right to others' organs.

We choose when to make babies, we don’t choose when to get sick

>Comparing a white cell that will never turn to a human to a baby who will.

It’s more than organs, your prioritising organs over a life

Exactly

I prioritise freedom over life.

I'd give up the use of my arm for 2 hours if it'd stop someone falling off a cliff

You prioritize certain freedoms

You ignore one parties freedoms for another

Fuck I actually think that's mandatory over here due to the good samaritan laws in australia

Lives are valuable, but I don't value them to the extent that anyone has the right to the use of anyone else's organs without their consent.

You value the freedom of property over the absolute freedom of a life

I prioritise freedom of choice than freedom of responsability.

Property? No, freedom over your own body.

Which is your property

What about the fetus's freedom to use it's own body?

It's body is its property

And it can't survive without the woman.

You guys have any solutions to the problem of single mothers? I do let's first hear it!

but it is a human, thus it has rights to its own body

It’s ok to say you accept abortions is cases of rape or medical emergencies but I think it’s morally abhorred to say you support abortions for convenience

We simply disagree, you guys believe that you can have the right to the use of someone's organs without their consent, and I do not.

No, you idiots, solutions.

Ok. Theoretical time

@ebowden let’s say you have sex and you get pregnant

You believe that proposition, and I do not, there is nothing to discuss.

Did you know that there was a chance for you to get pregnant?

This logic can be applied to infecting people with STDs just as well.

No it cant