This is the inevitable problem with giving people rights.

Correct, but we must also recognize where our rights come from

People are not given rights

Rights given are easily taken away. You must be willing to defend your rights by pen or by sword.

(Figure of speech. You should use rifles.)

No, everyone has rights granted to them solely by existing. The purpose of government is to take away rights that infringe on others

The constitution sees the rights as codiefied in it, not granted by it.

Exactly

That’s why the second amendment is there

You have the right to protect your own rights, and not rely on the government

But the constitution is a piece of paper. The paper needs some steel, propellant and plastic to back it up.

Yes.

The constitution is a set of beliefs and ideas

Well, aluminium too I suppose.

And those are impossible to kill

Anyways back to my original point

The constitution is the foundation of law and order

You acknowledge that the government is in place to protect the rights of the innocent, correct?

The government is in place to enforce laws, and defend the country from invasion.

Should the government protect those who cannot protect themselves?

We acknowledge that abortion is killing, after all

I don't know. Who are they protecting? What are they protecting them from?

The fetus from early termination, without being threatening to the mothers life

If it's protecting it from the right to control your own body, sorry.

So the rights of property supercedes the rights to life?

It's the right to control your body, who uses your organs.

tfw it's not just ones own body anymore

I don't believe that people's organs should be used against their will.

Yes it is, it is separated by a placenta.

It is a body supporting another, growing body.

So you think it’s fine if a woman knowingly gets pregnant and plans an abortion from day 1?

I don't think that people should have unprotected sex if they aren't willing to bear the responsibility to have the child

^

And I don't believe the government should be in our bedrooms or inside people.

I would agree

Unless it’s to protect an innocent life

Any right can be abrogated for that.

Absolutely because life should be held as the highest priority

Let me ask you this then

lol

What rights is the fetus taking away from the mother

No, freedom is highest for me.

I'm not calling for regulations or the subversion of anyone's rights. People should take responisbility or some fucking birth control

You can have as many mass shootings as you want and the 2nd ammendment still stands.

All recent mass shootings have happened in gun free zones

^^^

North Korea and China have few mass shootings.

Have you been to China?

You CAN stop them.

It doesn’t matter

But I like the freedom more.

Yeah too few people to shoot due to the natural communist starvation.

China isn’t built on the foundational citizen rights hat we have

The UK has a ban on guns and every year shootings have increased

Earlier question: what freedoms is a fetus taking from their mother?

China is state capitalist, it has been a long time since they have dared implement their ideology @Anemic Crusader.

There is also a lot of crime in China

A lot of stabbings and kidnappings

But at least guns weren't used!

Doesn’t matter

please also note that a fetus's mere existance implies consent on behalf of the mother and the father for all the changes neccessary to accomodate its existance

I am being sarcastic.

To present a more fair argument

No it doesn't.

I would suggest presenting the number of bullets fired vs the number of bullets resulting in injury for each country

People don't consent to HIV.

they fucked, unprotected, and didn't use any form of birth control afterwards

Or rape.

Rape is the only exception

That is not consenting to disease, that is undertaking a risky activity.

Again, 99% of abortions are convienence abortions

Rape isn’t a good metric to use for the majority

Also

Should we hold the fetus responsible for the sins of the parent?

And I don't care what the reason is.

The reason for you using your right does not magically erase it.

You should absolutely care what the reason is

I believe that a person should only have an abortion if it was conceived in rape or they don’t have the sufficient funds to care for a child

Using your right = killing a fetus

Abortion is not a right

The state does not take away rights because people had a bad reason. Nazis and Communists are allowed to speak.

Only if they agreed with the state

🤔

Lmao censorship under communism is crazy

Who has the US gaoled for free speech?

You can’t say anything without fearing the secret police and government

The state can take away rights. For instance, in australia we have the right to freedom of movement, that is restricted upon an arrest made by the police

Exactly

So, someone squirting in you is the same as being arrested?

Everyone has natural rights, and the government restricts them when you harm ‘society’

You guys are like feminist strawmen.

If someone is squirting in you, you are most likely letting them

Feminists believe abortion for all reasons

Pregnancy is something so easily avoided

If you're not letting them then it's rape

Do you want a baby? No? Then here, wear this 99cent balloon

Done

extra worried, wear 3

A 99cent balloon vs taking a human life and scarring the mother

They want the government to not only pay for their birth control but fund their abortions when not needed