I don't care if it's all the father's DNA by some kind of magic. My answer would be the same, you have the right to determine who uses your organs.

Or put a limit on kids

Something reasonable though not china's fucking bad shit

Like 4.

So you agree?

constantine fair point however even traditionalists are mixed on abortion

The average family is 1-3 kids

4th is pushing

It's reasonable but could curb it slightly

Call them babies instead of foetuses, the answer is the same. No matter how innocent someone is, they do not have the right to the use of someone else's organs.

But it should be as many as someone can afford.

That is such a ridiculous argument.

So neither the mother has that right then.

Which does not square with other things you have said.

Anyway good luck with your mong invasion

It squares just fine, having cum left in you is not continual use of someone else's organs.

Abortion is a bloody natural selection

The reason the organs happened was from the stimulus from the father

i do agree with the notion that the father should have a say because the baby has half of his dna however the cells multiply and the baby develops with the use of the mothers body so thats why it would ultimately be logical for her to have a say

The best natural selection would be if another bubonic happened.

No really.

But I will say no more on this. It's too controversial

Abortion is artificial not natural selection fwiw

define natural and artificial

It's removing your genes from the gene pool

But I'm done commenting on this. This is one of the few issues I dislike talking about.

The technical distinction between babies and foetuses is used by abortion advocates to pretend the right they are in favour of doesn't kill. I make no such pretension, the right results in the killing of the foetus, and there is no hard moral distinction whatever between a foetus and a baby.

The right for your organs to not be used by others against your will trumps that in my opinion.

I am perfectly willing for all that death to occur in order for that right to be preserved.

It was nice talking to people with different views though. I like it.

@Whiskey-Vargas I do not hear many other advocates of reproductive rights holding this position though. Instead they merely scream "misogynist" when people disagree with them. I disagree with the curtailing of freedom to save young lives, but being against that freedom does not mean you hate women.

And these same people foolishly want to curtail the 1st and 2nd ammendments, which are magnitudes more important.

They want the right for a woman who makes the choice to terminate her pregnancy to not be judged for it, which is utter nonsense.

They also do not seem to realise that if you go after liberties that other people care about, that they don't much care about, those other people will go after theirs in turn, sometimes purely out of spite.

The abortion debate is a good example of this.

I'm sorry, I don't want to waste your time. I see you still typing. I moved to another channel. It was great talking to you. I'm very tired and these topics are tiring so I'm just shitposting now.

Luckily, cooler heads prevailed in the long term. Only once has a constitutional ammendment curtailed freedom, and it was repealed. It seems that enough people are aware of how foolish the game of going after other people's liberties is.

Ok.

So let me ask you something then

You are essentially advocating for the right for women to be in control of their property, right?

In control of their body.

I do not believe that children are property.

But organs?

Your organs are part of your body.

Mhm

Sperm, on the other hand, are a component of a fluid produced by a few different organs.

But sperm is by itself not life

They are not themselves organs, like how bile isn't actually the pancreas or gall bladder.

So what’s your limits on abortion then?

Until the fetus is able to survive outside of the womb?

Or right up until birth?

Once it can survive, what is the point of aborting?

You just get it out early and surrender it.

Though I don't know if anywhere in the world grants the right of surrender to men.

What if early delivery does more damage to the woman’s body?

(Despite it being granted to women.)

Then the choice falls to them.

So what point do you support abortion until is what I’m trying to figure out

What point should it be allowed until

After the baby is out.

Because then that's just killing for no reason at all.

so 9 months abortion is fine

Is it fine legally in the US?

No

But it differs from state to state

Also just because it’s a law doesn’t make it morally right or wrong

What I think should be legal and what I think is wrong are different.

Getting an abortion at 9 month is just... why?

third semester abortions are possible

Also over 99% of abortion s are ‘convenience’ abortions meaning that, following your logic, there would be a point to just kill the baby after birth if the woman doesn’t want it

I know someone who's hippie sister loves coke and sex, but an implanon is just TOOOO CHEMICUL.

After all there’s a reason to kill it

So rather than having CHEMICULS IN MUH BODY, she has regular abortions.

dont see how mothers should be able to kill their unborn baby because they just dont feel like having a kid

But do you see abortion as a killing/murder?

It is killing.

Then that makes it wrong

Morally

I have no idea at what point it becomes killing.

That’s the issue up in the air

But at some point it must be.

Is it made of human matter that is still in the process of being alive?

after fertilization

if so then yes it is killing

Killing is not always wrong.

Correct. We must look at individual cases

But we can also make generalizations

I must not walk down the street and stab the first person I see

its wrong to kill innocents

baby is innocent

If it's a matter of convenience just because they didn't take sex seriously then Abortion is abhorrent

I know of at least one person who was actually like that.

Most people are like that

If you look at the statistics

Honestly I had no position on abortion until I saw some of the insane statistics

No, most people do not have regular abortions because they want sex but think "chemiculs in muh body" is bad, but abortions are just fine.

Pretty much

That is not at all most people.

Culturally in America we are not taught that the fetus is a life

This said, bad reasons do not erase your rights.