I find most of his songs amusing

Aren't they done by a bunch of people?

The one that was actually funny to me was Right Wing Death Squads.

I have no clue about what goes on in the production of Moon man videos

Is your profile pic a recreational nukes joke?

Yeah looks like it

What I'm saying is that there are a lot of immitators.

Oh yeah most likely

No idea who made Right Wing Death Squads.

My avatar I stole it from somewhere

I wanna know so I can buy that guy a drink

Ok finally got this.

Here's the chapter fragment. Fair warning. It is six pages and just kind of ends. I am open to suggestions and questions.

Also keep in mind I wrote this well over ten years ago.

Oh shit let me get that before pls no delete

@Grumplebee You could have a very pure team of recreants engineer synthetic versions of genes to make them the Übermensch.

More effective versions of certain human intelligence-granting genes.

Maybe a more effective allele of FOX2P than what even humans have.

I'm not gonna delete it.

As to the very pure thing here's what's going on with them.

They're really more of a cult than anything, and none of them have the sophistication to do that kind of thing. In the greater story human gene manipulation was kind of a dead end.

As mentioned they create their most sophisticated ones via genetic alteration in utero. Something they abducted the guy writing the chapter to help them with.

Because they are predominately male. They've taken to abducting women (for use in creation of third gen recreants) and children (to produce second gens). Their goal is to create a Fourth Generation recreants. The offspring of two thrid generations. Theoretically capable of producing more fourth gens if they can get at least one breeding pair.

But the closest they've gotten to that is the chacter that shows up at the very end. He's an exile from their society for obvious reasons. But he follows the camp for numerous reasons.

This whole story is based on three real life things: My childhood experience in the coast range of Oregon, specifically that story I was telling about my great aunt encountering some bad business in the middle of nowhere, Furries (obviously), and the Rajneeshpuram cult described in this video. https://youtu.be/Gwx9nqknu-c

@Grumplebee What doesn't make sense is the stirrups, an evil human invention.

Especially given that they actually make childbirth harder and more damaging for women, the healthy way is to squat.

Also, the deformities.

That does not look much like "genetic mixing" of different human-animal hybrids.

They are really bad at the whole evil human technology thing.

I don't know how even we would be able to produce such an creature.

It's a combination of the altered genetic strands of the parents combined with the human DNA trying to reassert itself.

They did not invent this tech. They merely co opted it.

They aren't a group of renegade scientists. They're a religious cult.

They're whole history is a comedic bunch of fail.

Oh forgot to mention, they are also based a bit on the Free Man on the Land Movement.

It's not that it sounds like it's written ABOUT people who know little about biology.

It sounds like it's written BY someone who knows little about biology.

Their founder (now deceased) tried to argue that he could not be arrested and prosceuted for a crime because his alterations meant he wasn't human.

Not the biggest expert on biology I've got to admit. So that is a fair cop. However, in my defense this was written in 2005 and our knowledge of how we'd even go about altering the human genome was a bit less.

"Not the biggest expert on biology"
Understatement of the decade.

Also, this:

"It's a combination of the altered genetic strands of the parents combined with the human DNA trying to reassert itself."

In genetics, we call that "nonsense".

Not a "nonsense mutation", just nonsense.

The idea was that similar to how we genetically modify things now it was introduced to the body piggybacked on a viral agent (which was my understanding of how that worked at the time). That works good for plants, but not as well on something as complex as a human.

Well, it works well when there are far fewer cells to get the genetic material in.

As in the case of embryos.

Due to an arbitrary tech roadblock I created you couldn't use these techniques to create new life from stratch. Only alter an already existing structure.

Right, that's why in the story they have essentially three variants basted on when the alterations were introduced.

Well, altering an extisting structure would be how any sensible person would do it anyway.

Yes, THAT bit I liked.

Then I got to the nonsensical malformations, and worse yet, your description of the mechanism that brought them about.

Well I can explain my line of reasoning, and you can tell me how I am wrong.

It's just a genome, it has no intelligence.

Well, yes. Of course.

There won't be a battle between the wild type and non-wild type parts.

It doesn't work like that.

Fair point.

So here's how my reasoning went.

So this tech, when the recrants stole it, was still in a very early stages. These stories take place not that far in the future. So the way it alters DNA is crude, slapdash. In some cases fragments of the human DNA are still left behind.

Now when I was saying the human DNA is reasserting itself I don't mean that as literally as I think you are taking it. I will get to that.

As I said the DNA alteration is done via a viral agent. One of the breakthroughs that makes this possible is the viral agent is self replicating in itself, and so once introduced into the body it is perpetual. It coexists wit the body theoretically symbiotically.

Wat

Is it even integrated into the genome?

Both.

Ok I can see how this is confusing.

It isn't now.

Like I said not a biologist. Thanks for helping me sort this out.

I guess stricly speaking it might not.

So, how does this not spread and turn a shitload of people's babies into furries?

Also, the self-replicating stuff is not in the least bit necessary for when they modify embryos.

Another of the breakthroughs in my notes. While capale of replication the virus that is the foundation of all this tech is not capable of mutation. in the story it is specifically noted the team that cracked that nut got a nobel prize. It infects a cell, and alters that cell specifically. That cell continues to replicated like normal. The initial treatment is what could best be called "queen" viruses. A biological factory that consumes human waste products and produces the viruses proper. These seek out and infect existing cells and are everywhere in the body altering their shape and (to a lesser degree) this tech is, and I feel I need to emphasize. this, imperfect.

Wut

Mutation is just something that happens, not something you are "capable" of.

Unless you have something that is just meant to cause mutations, but that's different.

Wow, it's summer here and Rusty is shivering now he has his fur cut.

The "queens" create the cells that to the alterations on a regular schedule. They always create the same cells. Those cells, the ones that do the alteration, are not capable of replications.

wut

"A biological factory that consumes human waste products and produces the viruses proper."

More wut.

"These seek out and infect existing cells and are everywhere in the body altering their shape and (to a lesser degree) this tech is, and I feel I need to emphasize. this, imperfect."

Why would it be altering cell shape? Patterning is mostly done with patterns of cell growth and apoptosis.

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-venezuela-cuba-doctors-20140911-story.html

Hilarious.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DURy-MJX4AAQJCy.jpg

Lol!

I think we have a venezuelan in Scrump's chat.

What I'm trying to get across is that the alterations are not self replicating. And there is a mechanism in place to change and alter each cell of the body as it is created. This works best on things like hair and skin. Not so good on things like organs and bone. Especially the nervious system which never grows new cells if I remember right.

Well, you can alter non-replicating cells.

And it does actually grow new cells.

If the virus can replicate, that means you have to deliver a lot less of it, sure.

But then you have to worry about it spreading.

Which I don't imagine is a problem for them.

Which is where the idea for the "queen" cells comes in.

Yeah if they could use this to just turn everyone into a furry they would do it in a heartbeat. It may have even been the original plan. But it doens't work that way.

"A biological factory that consumes human waste products and produces the viruses proper."
Wut

I cribbed that from other SF stuff actually.

I am trying to be gentle with how silly that is.

You familiar with nanotech? Grey goo?