Oh Jesus.

Yes, and this is very stupid.

Well it's not part of the story. Just looking for a way to communicate what I'm trying to lay down.

Something stupid.

Lol

The story has potential, though the details don't make sense.

Like them using stirrups when they are both an eeeeviiiiiiil human invention, and the best way to give birth is to squat.

Right, but the point is that they don't know that.

Wut

How could they not know that stirrups are human inventions?

The squatting thing.

Hippies are retarded and even they do it.

They don't know that. They are not very clever or sophisticated.

Well, not necessarily squating, the main need is to draw your legs back.

I'm telling you, without access to modern medicine, this is what people normally do.

I get that.

Also cults can be extremely good at tech, and anti-tech people like Ted and Timothy are among the most sophisticated, tech-profiecient bombers ever.

None of this makes sense, the more I think about it.

Well they were still in prototype phase when I stopped working on it.

But this has been very educational.

They would not be able to do ANY modifications if they were not technologically sophisticated to an even greater degree than the cult that did the nerve gas attack.

Prototype phase? You'd nearly finished the book.

No

This is from a sequel to the book i finished.

The recrants are only passinly mentioned and not even directly in the first one. Just someone refrencing strange occurances and disappearances.

Morons would not be able to do that and not end up shot or in prison.

Especially in a group.

This community would be WACO'd.

(And WACO weren't even kidnapping and raping women and children.)

It's still good though

MAYBE such a community could exist if it was EXTREMELY sophisticated in its technological and opsec capabilities.

The manage the that kidnapping stuff because they stick to the ruall areas of the coast range, and migrate between two states and three different countries.

The Utopia of California is especially lax in regards to following up on missing citizens.

Wow, crossing international and state boundaries on the reg.

>not taking over an abandonded oil rig to start your sekrit club

It doesn't matter where they are, they'd be fucked.

US troops would storm in, rescue the kidnapped that were still alive, and shoot everyone else.

Their only hope at not being slaughtered(If they want to go round kidnapping and raping people) is perfect secrecy.

They'd have to have resources, sophisticated tech capability and opsec for that.

Part of the point of this story is to convey just how isolated that part of the country is. It is a dense forest, on difficult terrain. Traversing it is one of the few things they're good at.

Doesn't matter in the slightest.

also this was written in like 2005. I didn't anticipate done stuff getting as sophisticated as it has.

This fantasy would end in chemical defoliant, burn-offs, and troops storming the compounds.

Even in 2005 this was stupid.

Gonna need some ointment for that burn.

It's more stupid now, but it was still not feasible when it was written.

Oh no. The military is not defoliating a rain forest that is home to numerous endangered species.

That said, still better than a lot of shit I see being put out in mainstream movies.

Yes they will. Those objections are out the window when you do shit like this.

They come down on you like a tonne of bricks, they did then and they do now.

They might not even need defoliants.

I mean it would certainly be cheaper now.

But they wouldn't be that concerned about budget anyway.

Part of the idea is there are still parts of the Unites States, probably closer to where you are right now that you think. Are still so isolated that you could pretty much get away with anything if you manage to keep it low key enough.

Now too be fair. You have to have a pretty high IQ to understand my writing...

And I'm saying the same thing I was earlier, organised kidnap AND detainment is not sustainable unless you have VERY good opsec, even then it might not be.

For this to work you have to:

1) Tone down the shit that brings down the heat.

2) Increase the capacity to avoid said heat.

Given how severely unviable it is, almost certainly both.

Also:

For this group, either technology use wins, or death wins.

Wtf is going on lol

You'll have to read through.

Tragically, this is still a much better premise than so much of what I see.

Ebow is giving me useful info on a story i wrote like thirteen years ago.

A lot of this shit isn't even my speciality, just the kind of retardation you see in movies.

For what it's worth, and I am not using this as an excuse, I think stuff needs to be as accurate as possible and deviations from baseline reality need to be minimalized for maximum effect. This book series is supposed to be both a comedy and pulp novel revival.

Eb is right though with tech stuff. You can probably have a couple of furries really good with tech that help keep the group hidden for realism purposes

You need more than a couple.

These things require teams.

I suggest modifying some of their central ideology; humans themselves are impure and trapped by their own machinations, and the system will do everything it can to protect itself. To break the system will likely require a lot of technological prowess and resources.

(They can't survive or even exist in the first place without technology, so there has to be an ideological workaround that gives them carte blanche to use it.)

I will think on that. It's supposed to be about two people fighting quite a few monsters in the forest. Not a small army.

Like with communism, we have the dictatorship of the proletariat now, THEN use that to create our retarded, impossible utopia.

Well that IS what they're trying to do.

It's why they're so keen on getting the third gens to successfully breed. It would mean they can creat a sustainable populace and don't have to rely on human tech.

Well, their ideology either provides Carte Blanche to use technology "just in this phase of it"(lol), or they don't really ever get started.

Because they'll still need tech to achieve what they want in the later stages.

However, they would still be using things like guns and swords. Not because they are effective weapons, but because they look cool.

That's how thin their idealolgy is. Much like real furries.

A lot of this came from me seeing furries adamantly try to deny their humanity and go on about how terrible human are. It's a constant theme among them.

Or was fifteen years ago anyhow.

While at the same time they could never give up the human made internet. The thing that empowers them.

These people would need a highly unifying ideology, they can't operate unless it also gives them the excuses they need to be able to actually get shit done.

Fringe retards and confirmation bias aren't enough to describe what furries actually are.

Now, I've certainly SEEN that thread, but it's not particularly common.

Also, refusing to give up tech tells you all you need to know.

And going on about how terrible humans are doesn't mean you won't use their knowledge and tech.

Pretty much, but being a fanatic of a poorly thought idealology has a tendency to make people MORE dangerous.

Not really.

Fanatics of VERY well thought out ones are also very, very dangerous.

True

Well, thanks for thinking on this. But I am getting tired. I'm gonna call it a night.

Thanks again.

Night.

@ebowden would you consider yourself a fantatic about anything?

Ears.

This type of ear:

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