Message from @ebowden

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2018-01-25 02:31:36 UTC  

As mentioned they create their most sophisticated ones via genetic alteration in utero. Something they abducted the guy writing the chapter to help them with.

2018-01-25 02:34:05 UTC  

Because they are predominately male. They've taken to abducting women (for use in creation of third gen recreants) and children (to produce second gens). Their goal is to create a Fourth Generation recreants. The offspring of two thrid generations. Theoretically capable of producing more fourth gens if they can get at least one breeding pair.

2018-01-25 02:34:59 UTC  

But the closest they've gotten to that is the chacter that shows up at the very end. He's an exile from their society for obvious reasons. But he follows the camp for numerous reasons.

2018-01-25 02:46:54 UTC  

This whole story is based on three real life things: My childhood experience in the coast range of Oregon, specifically that story I was telling about my great aunt encountering some bad business in the middle of nowhere, Furries (obviously), and the Rajneeshpuram cult described in this video. https://youtu.be/Gwx9nqknu-c

2018-01-25 02:54:45 UTC  

@Grumplebee What doesn't make sense is the stirrups, an evil human invention.

2018-01-25 02:56:14 UTC  

Especially given that they actually make childbirth harder and more damaging for women, the healthy way is to squat.

2018-01-25 02:58:58 UTC  

Also, the deformities.

2018-01-25 02:59:28 UTC  

That does not look much like "genetic mixing" of different human-animal hybrids.

2018-01-25 02:59:57 UTC  

They are really bad at the whole evil human technology thing.

2018-01-25 03:00:25 UTC  

I don't know how even we would be able to produce such an creature.

2018-01-25 03:01:17 UTC  

It's a combination of the altered genetic strands of the parents combined with the human DNA trying to reassert itself.

2018-01-25 03:01:34 UTC  

They did not invent this tech. They merely co opted it.

2018-01-25 03:02:22 UTC  

They aren't a group of renegade scientists. They're a religious cult.

2018-01-25 03:02:49 UTC  

They're whole history is a comedic bunch of fail.

2018-01-25 03:03:21 UTC  

Oh forgot to mention, they are also based a bit on the Free Man on the Land Movement.

2018-01-25 03:03:38 UTC  

It's not that it sounds like it's written ABOUT people who know little about biology.

2018-01-25 03:03:57 UTC  

It sounds like it's written BY someone who knows little about biology.

2018-01-25 03:04:40 UTC  

Their founder (now deceased) tried to argue that he could not be arrested and prosceuted for a crime because his alterations meant he wasn't human.

2018-01-25 03:05:39 UTC  

Not the biggest expert on biology I've got to admit. So that is a fair cop. However, in my defense this was written in 2005 and our knowledge of how we'd even go about altering the human genome was a bit less.

2018-01-25 03:06:27 UTC  

"Not the biggest expert on biology"
Understatement of the decade.

2018-01-25 03:07:12 UTC  

Also, this:

2018-01-25 03:07:21 UTC  

"It's a combination of the altered genetic strands of the parents combined with the human DNA trying to reassert itself."

2018-01-25 03:07:35 UTC  

In genetics, we call that "nonsense".

2018-01-25 03:08:01 UTC  

Not a "nonsense mutation", just nonsense.

2018-01-25 03:08:42 UTC  

The idea was that similar to how we genetically modify things now it was introduced to the body piggybacked on a viral agent (which was my understanding of how that worked at the time). That works good for plants, but not as well on something as complex as a human.

2018-01-25 03:09:25 UTC  

Well, it works well when there are far fewer cells to get the genetic material in.

2018-01-25 03:09:32 UTC  

As in the case of embryos.

2018-01-25 03:09:47 UTC  

Due to an arbitrary tech roadblock I created you couldn't use these techniques to create new life from stratch. Only alter an already existing structure.

2018-01-25 03:10:29 UTC  

Right, that's why in the story they have essentially three variants basted on when the alterations were introduced.

2018-01-25 03:10:34 UTC  

Well, altering an extisting structure would be how any sensible person would do it anyway.

2018-01-25 03:10:57 UTC  

Yes, THAT bit I liked.

2018-01-25 03:12:39 UTC  

Then I got to the nonsensical malformations, and worse yet, your description of the mechanism that brought them about.

2018-01-25 03:14:39 UTC  

Well I can explain my line of reasoning, and you can tell me how I am wrong.

2018-01-25 03:15:18 UTC  

It's just a genome, it has no intelligence.

2018-01-25 03:15:38 UTC  

Well, yes. Of course.

2018-01-25 03:16:03 UTC  

There won't be a battle between the wild type and non-wild type parts.

2018-01-25 03:16:11 UTC  

It doesn't work like that.

2018-01-25 03:16:36 UTC  

Fair point.

2018-01-25 03:16:44 UTC  

So here's how my reasoning went.

2018-01-25 03:20:35 UTC  

So this tech, when the recrants stole it, was still in a very early stages. These stories take place not that far in the future. So the way it alters DNA is crude, slapdash. In some cases fragments of the human DNA are still left behind.

2018-01-25 03:21:15 UTC  

Now when I was saying the human DNA is reasserting itself I don't mean that as literally as I think you are taking it. I will get to that.