however I never could tolerate the female mentality

Plus it kind of hints that you're an infiltrator.

I doubt it

its easy

My brain goes into alert mode, too. Mostly because I've trained it to think of danger when exposed to hotness like that.

Is it bad that I honestly have no interest in women - sex/relationship?

they think you're some super man because you don't require validation from " friends"

No it's not. End of story.

@secrite Yes for society. Not for you, personally.

they ask the question, I tease them about it, and its easy vag

Good idea to check your T levels anyways.

What question?

don't go out with men

@Xychotic I can totally identify with that. I've always had an extreme aversion and sensitivity to being manipulated

go out solo, you get laid, its easyu

@hel I am pretty sure it is high. I have good muscle mass and low bodyfat. Morning wood without fail.

@secrite Not really. Do you watch porn often?

ow often are you in ketosis?

@secrite One might make an argument that your reduced sex drive is a concern because, as a man, you should crave it and have a powerful desire that you have to channel productively.

porn is poison

@Cato_Malgus I watch porn for like 15 mins 3-4 times a week.

Nah, porn isn't poison. Just too much of it is

So it might indicate a health issue.

youre failing yourself

if you watcg portn

go meditate

Why?

Only if you change your attitude

How is it a failure? Otherwise, I'd be focused on sex.

@secrite I see. It's not too often, then

if you watch porn in moderation, you probably value your time enough that you're not going to waste a few hours on the prowl when you can knock that tension out in 15 to 30 minutes and then get back to doing what you actually want to be doing.

I'm too against porn, but you don't have to preach

🍿

No popcorn! Too many carbs!

I view porn/mast as literally a hygiene need.

🥓

If I don't need it, I go without it.

Kind of like pooping.

Yes.

Porn helps me to drop steam, but it drops my energy as well, so it's harder to get back to work.

@Misanthropic Imperial I've never had sex with a dude and don't really have any interest in doing so. So when I say that I never found sex all that pleasureable yes I meant with women but I doubt it would be better with men. I am circumcized which I think plays a big part. The only part of sex that I find in the least bit enjoyable is ejaculating inside a vagina bareback. But due to the risks involved in that I don't do it thus I avoid sex as my hand is nearly as good.

You don't actually look forward to it. It just needs to be taken care of when the urge hits.

I'm thinking porn for me has more cons than pros

Maybe.

Maybe it's like drinking milk.

@Lilu Using a condom during masturbation as well as a silicone masturbator can help.

Sex researchers deal with sexual dysfunctions like low stimuli on the regular.

Some people enjoy milk freely and it's pleasant addition to their diet. Others... well... rocket shits.

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if you think porn is okay, its likeyh because you grew up watching too much of it thinking it's okay, and a lack of sex

The general treatment for sexual anhedonia is a slow acclimation toward less sensation while still achieving orgasm.

Some nofaps maybe are onto something when they talk about all that shit of "redirecting energy into something productive"

Ideally, to be able to achieve low stimulation orgasm without porn.

@Darkness Didn't even realize porn was a thing until I was 20.

That usually helps sexual functioning for people with sexual anhedonia or delayed orgasm.

@Cato_Malgus I tried the NoFap and was productive for like 2 months but my sex drive became insatiable. It started interfering with classes.

Delayed orgasm is a considerable problem for some - far moreso than "premature" ejaculation in many cases.

Both of you are right. @Cato_Malgus @secrite

The key is moderation. Just like everything in life.

"nofap" is not healthy. Ask any doctor, a lack of ejaculation considerably increases risk of prostate problems. Not just cancer.

@hel Yeah I think so too

Or, rather, I'd say _not ejaculating_ isn't healthy.

@Wojak Well, you get nocturnal emissions.

Those are not sufficiently frequent.

lol Porn means you're "failing yourself"?

However people can ejac too much

@Wojak I look at it like this, my buddies used to all tell me how great golf was. They all went out on the weekends and played it a bunch. They spent insane amounts of cash on clubs and fees etc... I tried it with them and it was kind of fun. However nowhere near worth what they were spending on it. So I stopped doing it. Sex is much the same to me. I tried it bunch and found it not worth the effort. Why invest a bunch more time and effort into enjoying something that can only cause problems for me. Much easier to just stop chasing pussy.

There are also studies stating that not fapping doesnt cause prostrate cancer though

If you're in a relationship with access to regular sex, not masturbating can help if you experience delayed ejaculation.

@MufflePuff Darkness doesn't like titties on camera.

You think it's easy for the body to create life

@Darkness What is the optimal amount of ejaculating per day/week?

Depends on age

But peeps, they said you can become like Gandalf and shit if you don't fap for full year

"optimal" depends on the person.

Read Tao

@secrite Dave Asprey covers there.

It's like, 1 a week or something.

@Darkness 21-28

But you should have sex all the time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/4ymcts/evidence_that_nofap_has_zero_impact_on_prostate/

"Evidence that NoFap has ZERO impact on prostate cancer.
--just some stats I googled, feel free to check my numbers, don't take them too seriously though, just trying to get my point across--

Think about it statistically, NoFap has zero affect on prostate cancer.

14% of men will get prostate cancer sometime in their lifetime. Ejaculation reduces the chances of prostate cancer by 36%.

(.14)(.36) = 5%

Meaning the chances you will develop prostate cancer is increased by 5%

But consider 60% of prostate cancer cases are in men aged 65 or older.

And also, out of all cancers prostate cancer has an extremely low mortality rate of 0.8%. Compare with lung cancer at 83.4% and pancreatic cancer at 93%. Even breast cancer has a higher mortality rate (10.8%).

(.05)(.008) = .0004 [risk of dying to prostate cancer because of NoFap increased by 0.04%]

With all this in mind, the chances of you dying because you are not fapping is fapstronomically low so don't worry."

In terms of maximally reducing prostate, urethral infection, etc, a few times a week or so.

Dex is okay is the expulsion of fluids Too frequently that's a problem

Sex**

I'm on nofap now. Feels great

It's a flawed study

Note I did not mention only prostate cancer, but prostatitis, urethral infections, etc.

Also his concept there is hilariously misleading.

How many of them squat?

@Roko How long and what do you do when you feel super horny? You're were I want to be career-wise so I'd love your notes on this matter.

"Prostate cancer has an extremely low mortality"? Um, no. Depends on all the factors. What age you get it at, whether it's caught early, whether you get regular screenings, etc.

Exactly

Terrible stufy

I can ejaculate relatively quickly. It's just that to me it is more like a bodily function like urination or defication. I masturbate to relieve the pressure so to speak.

It's not just about replacing fluids too often or not often enough. It's also about building patience and not succumbing to ones desires

Your quote just lied by misusing all of his data to get the lowest possible number.

Study**

As the saying goes: Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

What is the obsession with nofap.

Is this a generational thing?

The same obsession with fad diets and fad exercises and fad everything else.

Perhaps

I think so.

A perceived lack of masculinity feeding paranoia and a desire to reassert what is perceived to be lost.

When for most people all they need do is lose weight and exercise.

Case in point: For men where prostate cancer has mestasticized (spread to other parts of the body), survival rate is 30% or less.

I'm thinking fads are mostly there for aimless people

Note how he tries to calculate _mortality_ of prostate cancer

not _increased risk of getting it_

Well if you risk _increases_ and you're not getting checked, and it metastasizes, you're boned.

prostate cancer not a concern amongst men

It damn well should be.

hi everyone

why

Sup, doc.

because you're not squatting

Darkness is telling everyone to go fuck women, not dolls and especially not their hands using porn.

Manhattan when do you sleep.

Prostate cancer is the most common cancer behind _skin cancer_ for men.

It is VERY common.

Risk factors include low sexual activity, obesity, smoking, alcoholism, etc.

Fucking a woman is way too dangerous.

No thanks.

i'm telling you to take the useful and discard the useless @Xychotic

But this is not just about prostate cancer. It's about UTI's, infections, other complications.

What is the obsession with vagina?

I'm no one's daddy

@Darkness A useful woman? Tell me where did you find that awesome specimen

I think Angela White's titties are useful.

Regular ejaculation is simply optimal for maintaining the health of your sexual organs however it is obtained.

I like it

jesus @felldie1496

can you read

@MufflePuff Quite the question

I cant

@Wojak have there been studies on if masturbation and actual sexual ejaculations have the same or similar affect on the reduction of chances?

There are a lot of issues when fuckin a woman.

Apart from health issues, there are legal issues, social issues.

They serve the exact same biological purpose, Lilu.

outsmart the system

Watching porn is like brushing your teeth or shaving. You get it done and it's done. Why is it such a big topic.

it's not that fkn hard

@felldie1496 It's b8 m8

that bares out statistically not just theoretically?

@MufflePuff Because you shouldn't get it done without involving women.

Yes, Lilu.

yea cuz you grew up on porn

thank you @Wojak

Yeah, fap it up and don't think too much about it

not realizing how it fucks w/ your heard

head*

Why do you care, bruv

but hey, if thats you thats you

@Darkness the big head or the little head?

I don't care

Because we are all men here and we should care.

People who masturbate a few times a week generally have fewer UTI's, less prostate cancer risk, less prostatitis, generally any issue with the genitals they have fewer issues with in the long term.

The thing about porn is that if you let it control you it fucks you up, like a drug.

It's like having a discussion on why Cheerios is bad for you.

yes @felldie1496

It is bad for you.

Though to be clear this is with _any_ ejaculatory activity I am only referring to masturbation as a proxy.

But if you know the risk, then it isn't bad

@felldie1496 Kind of like pussy lol

Do any of you feel less energetic for the rest of the day after a good fap?

cheerios are bad for you? get the huh outta here

No, Cato, that's actually its own unique condition.

so then just order up a spinning robot pussy. problem solved

Cheerios are terrible for you.

@Cato_Malgus sometimes. but not in years, I think the gym changes that.

says who?

most cereal is terrible fo ryou...

Oh jeezus....

it's startchy garbage

why has no one warned the people

Where do you want me to start?

@Xychotic I think I will go NoFap again for the next 60-90 days to reset the system. What interval should I return to after that? The Dave Asprey method is all pro-sex.

Men benefit from ejaculating less. Not too fun from a pleasure standpoint, but it presents a powerful opportunity for biohacking:

Abstinence for 3 weeks increases testosterone in healthy men [17]. Which is good, considering average testosterone for us guys has been dropping by about 1% per year for the last 30 years [18].

Sex (not orgasm) increases testosterone by up to 72% [19,20]. Sex-related thoughts boost it too. I had a lot more of both when I abstained – my sex drive was off the charts.

Abstinence can also lead to greater life satisfaction and, oddly, more attention from women. No studies for these, but there is a lot of personal and anecdotal evidence.

the children eat this poisin

People have been trying to warn them.

In extremes it's dubbed "post orgasmic illness syndrome"

We need facts people facts

eat sweet potatoes

Chocolate cornflakes are fucking great though

It's _primarily_ the product of guilt. Not kidding.

you think the FDA was doign you a favor? lmao

@Cato_Malgus If that is your problem, then perhaps masturbate before bed. You get the health benefits and you will be well rested by the time you actually need energy again.

You find it overwhelmingly in people with fundamentalist upbringings.

they wanted to keep ppl indoctrinated into the sick

Also, yes, masturbating before bed is a great way to relax and sleep.

I knew cereal was bullshit since i was a teenager so i always ate other shitty food substances for breakfeast like oatmeal/waffles/eggs etc

Or having sex before bed. Probably an hour or two before.

@Wojak That is when I fap.

LOL

😄

@Wojak Like JP. 'No man ever stood up triumphantly after masturbating.' - paraphrased.

men finding sexual outlets that don't require them to submit to a female is dangerous for western societies.

@secrite I don't really think I have an answer to your question. I find that I'm thirstier when I'm taking care of myself nutritionally. It's a weird thing. If I fast for a week, the desire gets so great I can't focus.

breakfast food is gay

JP is the way

If you stand up triumphantly just because you had sex, you're probably a narcissist.

@Kragt That's why he should do it before sleep, lol

I don't know about you, but after i fap i'm like: "Wtf did i do this?"

Eatings eggs and sausage is like cock and balls and miss me with that gay shit.

Pasta for breakfast is good

Nope. Pasta is terrible.

@Xychotic rare to find people who fast, good for you

I like pasta

get that ketosis

Ketosis ftw

get your body right,

@Xychotic Why is pasta terrible?

Same reason as cheerios.

dont need to eat times a day

I was just boiling water last night and missed pasta. It's been too long.

3* times*

do you just hate grain?

@Xychotic @Andrew The Meme King Plebs the lot of you. The only way to have breakfast is to walk outside and filter feed on pollen and airbone bacteria.

No, but my pancreas does.

Also, there are more domains here than just for men. For women, there are whole domains of other concerns, like external masturbation or vibrators. I keep telling women, never ever ever use vibrators. Any activity that DOES NOT mimic sex as closely as possible reduces the ability to enjoy or achieve orgasm from the act, and in some populations eliminates the possibility of orgasm entirely.

grains are find, just dont need to eat

lmao

carbs for strength training, otherwise fat n prots

@Kragt I'm not taking a tree based creampie and calling it breakfast, thank you very much.

I am of Italian decent and I never liked pasta all that much. White bread on the other hand has been a weakness for m.

I'm just parroting recommendations by sexual health researchers who deal with these issues clinically.

carbs are short term energy

There's so much free biomass in the air, its ridiculous you people pay for food

unsaturated fats for long term

well my body has told me what to do and it's been working great

*leaves for a bit*

Wtf cato, we don't have that much food

if i'm strength training i'll eat carbs

@Darkness I am currently on day 2 of fasting. I am cheating and drinking coffee though. A true fast would just be water. I found this guy - Cole Robinson/Snake Diet. He's awesome. I want to get ripped like him but I am 5% fatter than my ideal bodyfat %.

yea i've been doing something like that for a while now

@Wojak So applied to men, vaginal simulation toys should be used instead of a hand in regards to possibly not achiving orgasm during sex?

just make sure to get minerals in

>_> well for men who use vaginas. *

If possible, yes.

gym has unlim women

But there are other ways, as I explained, to help this delayed or sexual anhedonia issue.

wut

Like using a condom while masturbating to reduce the friction or overstimulation.

I never plan on having sex ever again so I'm not really concerned with making sure that I can enjoy it.

ouch,..

feelsbad

Ideally, using a condom with a penetrative toy would have the best effect if you can train yourself to that point.

@Darkness Yes, I drink electrolytes whenever I get light headed or cramp.

^

The longest fast has been 4 days so I am going as long as possible this round.

that food addiction has been handled I see