@tmg copper yeah they can, im not opposing that

@tmg copper but hating on the ones they dont choose?

I don't think being an "incel" between 15-17 counts

@Grenade123 its not between 15 and 17. Every man is an incel at some point

Every person is

He may even be in a relationship but on a business trip. If hed like to have sex at that point, hes an incel.

That is painting the term incel with a very wide brush

Well it is literally the abbreviation for involuntary celibate so, yes.

Some terms literally are a noun to a verb

Well the key word is celibate and how you define it

For instance, if you want people including men not to be tortured, that does make you a mens rights advocate.

becouse you are literally engaged in doing what that noun describes

Doing the verb to the noun

(if you also want women not to be tortured, you are of course also a WRA)

#stopthebias https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1OwPeOonzU

"abstaining from marriage and sexual relations, typically for religious reasons"

In the term incel, I believe that extents to abstaining from relationships period, involuntary of course

@Redneo bingo, sorry I walked away from my phone.

The point of the term incel is that they can't even get a date, yet alone anything more.

Yeah i guess you can argue about what celibacy means, yes.

@Grenade123 but what I think @Redneo is arguing is that it's involuntary

Well yeah, you cant blame something for what he doesnt even want

Espacialy as women call men which dont put out MURDERERS.

I think it was a guardian or NYT article calling men which are not available murderers becouse your life is shorter if you are alone

what would you think if someone defended a neo nazi as not really racist but just trying to have a laugh

I don't disagree that making fun of incels is at all a good idea, it's like making fun of anyone based on immutable characteristics.

because thats Data and Society

describing Daily Stormer as just for a joke

Well i would describe it as such

do you thnk the average person would agree that its not real nazism

It just reads like satire

right but they arent saying its meant to be fake

they are saying "this guy is racist and has a nazi tattoo, but its not for real ya know"

I mean what do you mean by "defend"? I would defend their rights

defend their actions as not racism just jokes

like getting a nazi tattoo, that was just for a laugh according to them

Sounds like they don't take them seriously. Which if they are trying to pain people like you and Sargon as serious but the daily stormer as not, I'd have to question if they are really neo-nazi supporters.

maybe its the ancient indian hidnu symbol of peace tim 😛

I wouldnt defend a neo nazi tatoo as not racist, their articles seem to be satire, might have the opposite goal. At least id argue itll have the opposite effect.

die bart, die

In the end, i dont care to much if they are racist or not. So long as they dont hurt anyone - and if they do i dont care what they believe.

people should be able to express whatever opinions they want... and I should be free to tell them their opinion is stupid