that too

When they tell the population "this is not a time for hate, we must not be racist", after some migrants kill an indiginous person, things are totally fucked up

but in Europe there have been many-a cases where they declared some people are set for deportation, and then pardonned them say "Well, they've been here for 4-5 years, they're slowly integrating and learning the language, so lets just keep them here"

i agree with u guys, but... i think its the wrong way to approach these issues (when talking to people you or i would dissagree with, i mean)
i am interested in how this could work, hypothetically,
so muslims in the west, how should they act? how should they adapt to the culture? should they adapt? why? why not?
there are some things in islamic culture that are opposed to values in the western culture, like the praying, and the views on women and minorities, and well... enlightenment values really, seperating religion from state, respecting other religions worldviews etc...

Aghost have you heard the old saying ?

```there are some things in islamic culture that are opposed to values in the western culture, ```
No, its everything!
There is no common ground with Muslims. THAT is the Problem.

When in Rome ......

Act as the Romans do

@Aghost You agree that Rape is a very very bad thing and should be punished, right?

The thing is most of moslims i know are well adapted

But you need to clamp down on the extremists

Or it spreads

As it is spreading rn

@Stefan Payne yeah, i already told you, i agree with u guys' position :P

```The thing is most of moslims i know are well adapted```
Then they are hypocrites and not real muslims.

Yep

in english: Should be Converted to Christianity as the true religion.

As are the Christians

they see islamic law above the law of their "host" country lets say

The issue is generalisation,

Theres plenty that are well adjusted, but those reject muslim culture and the quran in big pieces

And those are used as an example of why we should just let the dangerous ones walk free cuz "See its not their religion"

completely ignoring that those people abandoned large chunks of their religion

Most ppl arent fundamentalist believers

Yep doc

Its the extremists we need to stop

```The issue is generalisation,```
No, the issue is peer preassure from the Community.
Especially for Muslims.

Also the fact that moderate ones are excusing the extremists

what about the idea that islam should split off ? like... european islam? (enlightened islam)
personally i dont think its going to work, and personally i think they should do this outside of europe xD
haha, but people that arent aware of the dangers of islam, think that the "radical" muslims are radical, cuz of racism or some other nebulous hard to check thing xD

Is not helping

Exactly stefan

@Stefan Payne thats the inner issue,

But society deems this okay, cuz "Look, this family of muslims living in a christian only community changed, so its possible"

Islam is a cancer

Change my mind

for me to change your mind would be to try and get you to ignore reality? 😛

No reality sorcery allowed.

Strictly going off the book they follow

```Also the fact that moderate ones are excusing the extremists```
They can't, as that would show them to be false muslims and be killed.
That is the Problem with that shit, that nobody in politics is really informed about the issue and has read the qua'ran...

@Mayor going purely by the book would make Exterminatus Protocols on them acceptable

Genocide is ok -

muslims

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theres a category of muslims that i can talk to easily, and agree with on a lot of issues, but they are hard to find, and usually are politically incorrect
they understand that demography is destiny, and the ones that i talked to are for reduced immigration from muslim countries.
But these would probably be the first targets for extremists to shut down their speech if the muslim mob becomes big enough

Yes, that is what the Koran propagates - Genocide based on religion.