nite ya'll

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No insulting Orgy.

alright alright

Let's be civil.

Insulting people back won't put you on the high ground, it just brings you down to their level.

It just doesn't feel civil, somebody willing to raise the middle finger to all the people who lived through the things he affectionately labels "the official report"

its far more believable that some person somewhere in the intelligence agency got work that such an attack could happen, and never pushed it up the chain because they dismissed it, got the date wrong, or any number of any given reasons (maybe it was a dem who wanted repubs to look bad). but that is hardly much of an "inside job"

That is why being civil in debate is important.

there is some evidence to suggest something similar happened with info about Pearl harbor

Anyone here who's been maybe a couple meters (or less) away from a tragedy, is surely a bit disappointed.

It doesn't help that those who built the trade center cut corners.

Weakening the entire structure in the beginning.

And yeah, incompetence is rampant, and certainty is hard to come by

that someone did know about it, but it was too late and never got the right ears fast enough to do anything

I'll bet you approximately nobody at NORAD was thinking that 9/11 was about to happen

the government is designed to be incompetent

because it had never happened in the past.

i mean, you know the number of planes flying aorund NYC?

ffs they had helis fly to the met life building for a while

It is always a struggle to keep the government unable to become totalitarians as well as giving them the tools to keep us safe.

no way a Norad system could identify a civilian bird and shoot it down fast enough

I mean, what is the plan to monitor for, report, and defend against attacks of an unforseen nature, using tools they hadn't thought of?

not without NORAD already wanting to shoot down civ planes

WE need them competent at a certain level, but not give them all the power.

which imo would be WAY worse (and probably the default setting now)

Look what happen in the FBI.

And the DOJ.

Now how corrupt they have become after 8 years of Obama.

I mean, can you think of the uproar if the public got wind that the U.S. government had developed systems intended to target civilian aircraft?

(before 2001)

Who eroded so many barriers keeping them from becoming corrupt in the first place.

indeed

they harassed so many journalists

Trump should work hard in restoring any and all barriers eroded by Obama and George W. Bush.

Give the power back to the people.

invested immense amounts of money and effort in preventing matters of public record from being disclosed properly under the FOIA

Limiting the government to appropriate levels.

Make it so we can fire corrupt officials.

Limit or do away with Unions.

The problem right now seems to be that there is no political will to do anything