so you don't believe that it is possible to compromise the structure of a building by heating up the primary structural elements such that the static load on them causes them to bend?

there are way more arguments than that

right, but you said you disbelieve all of the official story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzInIjD6nKw

just the stock put options alone should raise some eyebrows

thats fine, lets start by dropping that one, and any arguments that require it to be true

but seriously, i am not going to educate you guys on 911, it is an easy one and if you truly want to learn more there is more than enough evidence out there

Selective with facts is how most conspiracy theories are born.

I mean

anyway, you all have drained the life out of me

When they negate other facts that could do it.

if they really wanted to fabricate the event, surely they wouldn't attempt to make up _all_ of the facts.

if you believe the government is this bad, why are you not in open revolt and shooting all government officials? i mean, its clearly a treat to you

i wish so hard that i could be like you, but i just can't

that seems like the absolute worst way to construct a believable lie

ok

i'm off to chill out

nite ya'll

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No insulting Orgy.

alright alright

Let's be civil.

Insulting people back won't put you on the high ground, it just brings you down to their level.

It just doesn't feel civil, somebody willing to raise the middle finger to all the people who lived through the things he affectionately labels "the official report"

its far more believable that some person somewhere in the intelligence agency got work that such an attack could happen, and never pushed it up the chain because they dismissed it, got the date wrong, or any number of any given reasons (maybe it was a dem who wanted repubs to look bad). but that is hardly much of an "inside job"

That is why being civil in debate is important.

there is some evidence to suggest something similar happened with info about Pearl harbor

Anyone here who's been maybe a couple meters (or less) away from a tragedy, is surely a bit disappointed.

It doesn't help that those who built the trade center cut corners.

Weakening the entire structure in the beginning.

And yeah, incompetence is rampant, and certainty is hard to come by

that someone did know about it, but it was too late and never got the right ears fast enough to do anything

I'll bet you approximately nobody at NORAD was thinking that 9/11 was about to happen

the government is designed to be incompetent

because it had never happened in the past.

i mean, you know the number of planes flying aorund NYC?

ffs they had helis fly to the met life building for a while

It is always a struggle to keep the government unable to become totalitarians as well as giving them the tools to keep us safe.

no way a Norad system could identify a civilian bird and shoot it down fast enough

I mean, what is the plan to monitor for, report, and defend against attacks of an unforseen nature, using tools they hadn't thought of?

not without NORAD already wanting to shoot down civ planes