I bet we'll find the bar mysteriously lowered for dumb bullshit

theres also the issue of companies collecting data secretly

which never gets acted upon

Yeah, I mean...

There are several slippery slopes here.

If your utterances remain your property even when you place them in my custody, then surely you can "get them back"?

i wouldn't call it reasonable. The third party thing has some merit.

what if they're written down on notes I took, do you own the paper?

When the police search for what _you_ have said by invading _my_ property, have they searched _your_ property, or _mine_?

yours.

(under this system we propose, whereby your data remains yours even when shared with third parties)

oh

How much _"your data"_ are records of _you_ having visited or used resources on _my_ site?

not paying attention to that, doesn't make sense.

possession is 9/10...

I would say they're my records, in that case.

I think there are at least 3 situations: 1. no expectation of privacy, you shared it you figured it was in the public realm 2. An expectation of privacy, but no agreement to it, this you telling a secret to a buddy or something. 3. An expectation and agreement, think of medical records or something.

I mean, one serious improvement would be to extend some of the protections afforded to _postal mail_ to other forms of permanent correspondence.

manspreading?

i accidently posted that my bad

sexist confirmed.

Taking, searching, or tampering with people's postal mail is a felony.

it is ^

Maybe taking, searching, or tampering with people's email, facebook messages, snapchats, whatsapps, SMS texts, etc. should be equally so.

@xorgy if so then they need to be government run

(sans narrow, targeted warrant for such behaviour)

and that becomes a problem

why would they need to be government run?

the post office is gov run

are you trying to equate the punishments with the mail same as the digital media ?

I don't see how that means that postal mail theft would not be a felony if the post office were not run by the government.

stealing my UPS packages is probably ....a crime.

facebook and twitter etc can tamper/spy on you and get away with it

but don't you authorize that?

Yes, the offense is not _theft from the US Postal Service_, it is _theft of mail_.

you do authorize fb and twit to do it

I think that that's probably fine, if you explicitly authorize the search of your messages, you should be left to deal with the consequences of that.

problem there is 500000 pages of ToS.

k.

XD

That is not a problem