Message from @xorgy
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the 4th amendment constantly gets infringed upon by technicalities
Honestly I agree that kavanagh was right in his ruling
But I think we need to reform how it works
I think this man takes this differently than he ought to, yeah. The courts have not, and do not, see collection of your data from third parties you have entrusted it to be a "search".
Nor do they consider looking at those data to be a "search", and that is the contention.
It should still be considered your property even if it's held by a 3rd party
I think so too, so maybe this is one of those things Congress should be getting off of their asses to do.
Then again, it is difficult to draw the line, because law enforcement can observe you in public. When does looking at things you have disclosed to third parties stop being an observation of a public space, and start being an infringement upon private space?
so regarding the Kavanaugh degeneracy shit, I wonder what these people thought about the Hillary Clinton Spirit Cooking stories that were floating around a few years ago
Though I think that is simpler in some cases, especially when it involves the government _ordering_ people to allow them to install listening devices within the networks, which seems as straightforward as them invading the facilities by force, without specific warrant.
I bet we'll find the bar mysteriously lowered for dumb bullshit
theres also the issue of companies collecting data secretly
which never gets acted upon
Yeah, I mean...
There are several slippery slopes here.
If your utterances remain your property even when you place them in my custody, then surely you can "get them back"?
i wouldn't call it reasonable. The third party thing has some merit.
what if they're written down on notes I took, do you own the paper?
When the police search for what _you_ have said by invading _my_ property, have they searched _your_ property, or _mine_?
yours.
oh
How much _"your data"_ are records of _you_ having visited or used resources on _my_ site?
not paying attention to that, doesn't make sense.
possession is 9/10...
I would say they're my records, in that case.
I think there are at least 3 situations: 1. no expectation of privacy, you shared it you figured it was in the public realm 2. An expectation of privacy, but no agreement to it, this you telling a secret to a buddy or something. 3. An expectation and agreement, think of medical records or something.
I mean, one serious improvement would be to extend some of the protections afforded to _postal mail_ to other forms of permanent correspondence.
manspreading?
i accidently posted that my bad
sexist confirmed.
Taking, searching, or tampering with people's postal mail is a felony.
it is ^
Maybe taking, searching, or tampering with people's email, facebook messages, snapchats, whatsapps, SMS texts, etc. should be equally so.
@xorgy if so then they need to be government run
(sans narrow, targeted warrant for such behaviour)
and that becomes a problem
why would they need to be government run?
the post office is gov run
are you trying to equate the punishments with the mail same as the digital media ?
I don't see how that means that postal mail theft would not be a felony if the post office were not run by the government.