Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-10-17 07:19:04 UTC  

THere's probably plenty of advancements that have been stymied because someone somewhere holds a patent and wants their money for vaguely describing something someone else did the work for.

2018-10-17 07:19:18 UTC  

The thing is: state can afford to lose. Even if their offer is not the best, the mere existence of it would prevent the olygopoly or price damping

2018-10-17 07:19:59 UTC  

The Free Market has shown us in the past that if there is a cheaper way to do something, someone will come in to disrupt the market.

2018-10-17 07:20:05 UTC  

also it can provide the service where business considers it unprofitable

2018-10-17 07:20:08 UTC  

free market lol

2018-10-17 07:20:11 UTC  

The state isn't needed for that process.

2018-10-17 07:20:25 UTC  

In fact, the state should step out of the way of that process.

2018-10-17 07:21:01 UTC  

Patent trolls like Edison will always find a way to abuse the system. The real inventors still deserve to get paid.

2018-10-17 07:21:07 UTC  

the free market tends towards monopolies and cartels
and in the modern era, advertising is more efficient than innovation, especially for pharma

2018-10-17 07:21:09 UTC  

It is not a simple problem.

2018-10-17 07:21:13 UTC  

Heh. I like that you bring in Edison. 😛

2018-10-17 07:21:24 UTC  

Kind of a scumbag.

2018-10-17 07:21:59 UTC  

Well, some things should never be left to free market

2018-10-17 07:22:04 UTC  

Like Firefighting

2018-10-17 07:22:25 UTC  

Ancient Athens and USA in 1800 tried that

2018-10-17 07:22:43 UTC  

Firefighter mafias were having fights in the streets

2018-10-17 07:22:49 UTC  

I can kind of see your point there.

2018-10-17 07:22:58 UTC  

anything that has high infrastructure costs imo

2018-10-17 07:23:15 UTC  

competition is nigh-impossible with broadband

2018-10-17 07:23:32 UTC  

might wanna take a look into westinghouse history

2018-10-17 07:23:43 UTC  

Texas has a brilliant solution to the electrical grid and private industry.

2018-10-17 07:23:45 UTC  

Some things need state to function properly and/or not to be abused

2018-10-17 07:24:03 UTC  

They broke the Electrical Supply system into three separate industries.

2018-10-17 07:24:14 UTC  

I do agree that the state should be as minimal as it can get though

2018-10-17 07:24:16 UTC  

Production, Transmission, and Delivery.

2018-10-17 07:24:23 UTC  

Small govt is my Jive

2018-10-17 07:24:39 UTC  

rye we got that over here

2018-10-17 07:24:55 UTC  

Production company sells the power. Transmission maintains the insfrastructure, Delivery sells the electricity to the customer.

2018-10-17 07:25:03 UTC  

electricity itself has never been cheaper.
Yet the final product price that you pay for, has never been more expensive.

2018-10-17 07:25:07 UTC  

Production creates the power rather

2018-10-17 07:25:31 UTC  

sounds like a good way to pay 3 times for a single service

2018-10-17 07:25:41 UTC  

It's a LOT cheaper under that system than it is in the part of the state I live in

2018-10-17 07:25:47 UTC  

which is 100% government fault since theyre the ones that are adding +70% of the price in taxes

2018-10-17 07:25:54 UTC  

where we've got one company, take it or everything in your fridge rots.

2018-10-17 07:26:16 UTC  

welcome to my country rye

2018-10-17 07:26:28 UTC  

That is literally the situation

2018-10-17 07:26:34 UTC  

plenty of competition tho

2018-10-17 07:26:37 UTC  

One of the things is, you can actually CHOOSE to go with a 'green energy' company

2018-10-17 07:26:44 UTC  

that only buys from Wind Farms

2018-10-17 07:26:52 UTC  

but they all cost tons of money due to the phonebook of taxes added

2018-10-17 07:26:59 UTC  

Or you can chose to not care about the environment and go cheap if you like.