Message from @Jerm70

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2020-03-05 13:32:15 UTC  

But that is how it is like isn't it?

2020-03-05 13:32:52 UTC  

Just constant Donald Trump quality arguments.

2020-03-05 13:33:16 UTC  

And this isn't a knock on his intelligence.

2020-03-05 13:33:45 UTC  

Just how he goes about explaining his points.

2020-03-05 13:34:45 UTC  

"Lottas Babies, lottas corpses. You should see the abortion clinics. It is like stepping into a German Nursery for Jews. Really bad stuff."

2020-03-05 13:35:52 UTC  

The Left's arguments tend to boil to...

2020-03-05 13:36:28 UTC  

"But this is an inconvenient situation therefore I should be allowed to do X because I am special."

2020-03-05 13:37:27 UTC  

Now my personal belief in abortion is this.

2020-03-05 13:37:41 UTC  

I will let women decide if it should be legal or not.

2020-03-05 13:38:12 UTC  

But if they can kill a kid, I should be able to leave it without giving them money all the time.

2020-03-05 13:39:08 UTC  

> Pro-Life is suddenly a feminist position.

2020-03-05 13:39:14 UTC  

I'm all for parity, but I actually don't think "my body, my choice" carries once someone has gotten pregnant. Guys need affirmative rights in the situation as well as negative. Getting the right to opt out would be a good start, though.

2020-03-05 13:39:39 UTC  

Well I think that is a tricky one.

2020-03-05 13:39:46 UTC  

Obviously, rape and the like need to be taken into account as well, of course.

2020-03-05 13:40:03 UTC  

(and yes, I posess a uterus and the ability to get pregnant)

2020-03-05 13:40:23 UTC  

I don't think you should be able to force a woman to go through the pains of pregnancy if we want to allow the choice.

2020-03-05 13:40:30 UTC  

Once this subject and my position on it come up, that usually becomes relevant in someone's mind.

2020-03-05 13:40:42 UTC  

I would just say

2020-03-05 13:41:02 UTC  

I actually think there are some situations in which the fact that the woman had procreative sex was when she consented.

2020-03-05 13:41:08 UTC  

Note, "some".

2020-03-05 13:41:09 UTC  

A topic of this nature can't block out half of society.

2020-03-05 13:41:44 UTC  

Because if you do so, you create radical abortion clinic bombers.

2020-03-05 13:41:57 UTC  

Because they think abortion is murder.

2020-03-05 13:42:13 UTC  

Now, similar to the guy, I think she should have the option to walk away, but the thorny issues have to do with the fact that there are actually three people involved in the situation, and they all have different interests depending on the specifics.

2020-03-05 13:42:55 UTC  

Do you want to know the ultimate progressive talking point?

2020-03-05 13:43:00 UTC  

And right now it's basically two that are being discussed, and generally in an "all or nothing" kind of way.

2020-03-05 13:43:02 UTC  

Sure.

2020-03-05 13:43:18 UTC  

Aborted Babies are the most oppressed minority.

2020-03-05 13:43:45 UTC  

Killed before they could even start oppressing anyone/

2020-03-05 13:43:46 UTC  

?

2020-03-05 13:44:17 UTC  

Aborted before they could vote Democrat.

2020-03-05 13:44:32 UTC  

Arguably, you could go even further and say it is contracepted babies that do them one better.

2020-03-05 13:44:54 UTC  

Congratulations, Progressives! You have made contraception immoral! ;-J

2020-03-05 13:45:44 UTC  

Progressivism

2020-03-05 13:46:17 UTC  

The only ideology where it will be replaced with a completely different one.

2020-03-05 13:46:21 UTC  

The slippery slope, personified.

2020-03-05 13:47:04 UTC  

Because the end point of Progressivism is when it is converted to far right national socialist Islam.

2020-03-05 13:48:20 UTC  

Because they lack the argument needed to deal with a true fundamentalist religion.

2020-03-05 13:48:29 UTC  

Political horseshoe double reacharound.

2020-03-05 13:49:06 UTC  

Well it's more to do with how Progressivism is structured.

2020-03-05 13:49:31 UTC  

It isn't really a set of beliefs but deconstruction of beliefs.