sol i should belive them???

@Machinimal It's not about belief, it's about having a system for understanding and breaking down natural phenomenon using poetic dialectics.

bibble says jesus was resurrected, how do I know? read the bibble

How do you prove the Bible was right? Read the Bible

I'm not saying this is right or wrong, just that it works as a system for categorizing patterns and information. Through understanding those patterns you can exploit them

the problem with simply using metaphysics is that by definition it's grasping at straws

It's post hoc ergo propter hoc

Metaphysics is actually a concept, whereas magic is not 😄

Imagine not realizing that ceremonial magic is the exploitation of metaphysics to impart your will on the environment

I impart my will on the environment by punching Nazis

but you've yet to prove they are exploitable

@Machinimal If you don't do it for yourself, you won't believe me anyways

or that they even exist in the capacity that these occult texts do

you're telling me to read occult literature and attempt to perform rituals just to see if they work?

Yes, don't do anything crazy

Even if the stuff works, some of it can be vile

is this a "you must believe in a thing for it to be real" sort of thing?

no

that's what it sounds like just dropping in with out knowing much about what you have talked about.

ok but I'm lazy, hasn't anyone tried some of this stuff and documented it in a verifiable way

occultist peer review

spoiler alert

none of them work

"we killed this goat and well, mercury being in retrograde may have been a confounding variable, but we failed to reject the null hypothesis of the amount of bloodflow from tallow candles"

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/3398/text
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/earn-it-bill-governments-not-so-secret-plan-scan-every-message-online

gay gubmint

@Machinimal https://hermetic.com/parsons/the-book-of-babalon

If you want Jack Parson's account of his experience with ceremonial magick

Before you go off the deep end, just try to understand the basic metaphysics and see if it affects your perception of reality. That's step one

@ETBrooD https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3130398/

not everything is as it seems. if you legit thought for yourself you would indeed know that majiks is as real as real itself. if not you are by all accounts a normie retard.

i have spoken and it it written. good day!

*is

is this the same dude who tried to say he was some occult expert who had uncovered some shadow mason conspiracy to control the universe and restrict knowledge from normies

Yes

right, I remember we had a jolly good time making fun of them last time they showed up

its funny coz its true, jokes on u2 tards and by proxy all of us smh

I'm secretly a wild boar with the magical ability to shill for China on obscure discord servers

The left hand path is so normalized in culture that we literally have the huffington post writing articles about sex magic lmao https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sex-magic----fuel-your-dr_b_277210?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAByiM1DqGv5D6mmPkbsulTSjJfQHgqvw_p-ithYlSStcOWdfSxaD3mxXdiKJ0VfbH__zLhtSQ1MnGRRfXUUVuBAbPR7MFSHyQkkeuZHDy1LJDCM93nKI_MfE33JjMa0kulvlk6F7-bDjrq3TzLGuwm4Te3psRolZfUV2LUHCn9NP

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@ETBrooD good for you, you should start a pride parade

https://tenor.com/view/charge-attack-buckwild-wild-boar-wild-pig-gif-12805555