Message from @ETBrooD

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2020-03-06 12:31:52 UTC  

though even putting aside that singapore is in a unique position as a city state it has pretty extreme government intervention in certain areas

2020-03-06 12:32:08 UTC  

yeah the government decides what markets can or not operate

2020-03-06 12:32:31 UTC  

over 30% of singapore's workforce is employed in the state sector (higher proportion than venezuela) and about 75% of land and housing is nationalized

2020-03-06 12:33:00 UTC  

what percentage of home owners?

2020-03-06 12:33:07 UTC  

i dunno

2020-03-06 12:33:56 UTC  

from wiki - More than 80% of Singapore's population live in HDB flats. HDB Flats in Singapore are sold on a 99-year lease agreement. The remainder is rental flats reserved for those who are unable to afford to purchase the cheapest forms of public housing despite financial support.

2020-03-06 12:34:27 UTC  

There are a number of eligibility conditions in order for a flat to be purchased. A buyer must be a Singaporean citizen, or permanent resident and be 21 years of age and have a family. Singles below 35-years of age, and non-citizens are not allowed to purchase new HDB flats. Other requirements concern household status, time requirements, income and other special requirements.[9] The apartment flats are typically sold on a 99-year leas

2020-03-06 12:34:38 UTC  

singapore just runs things in the vein of east asian dirigisme/state capitalism a la post-deng china or south korea under park chung hee but while exploiting its strength as a small city state around an important port which gives it a strong niche in acting as a hub for trade and foreign investment

2020-03-06 12:34:52 UTC  

like Israel in a way

2020-03-06 12:35:04 UTC  

existing under the sole guardianship of the US

2020-03-06 12:35:47 UTC  

UN: "Coronavirus lockdowns and quarantines must respect rights"

2020-03-06 12:35:50 UTC  

the US would give no fucks about it if it wasn't for their military

2020-03-06 12:37:16 UTC  

*"State capitalism"*

2020-03-06 12:37:25 UTC  

whatever you want to call it

2020-03-06 12:37:44 UTC  

Well, for one, if it contains the word "state", then I don't want to call it "capitalism"

2020-03-06 12:37:56 UTC  

authority is delegated to investors in firms who are still subordinate to state orders

2020-03-06 12:37:57 UTC  

how does one protect capital ?

2020-03-06 12:38:07 UTC  

is there some provider?

2020-03-06 12:38:15 UTC  

some *state?*

2020-03-06 12:38:17 UTC  

so you don't think the economic success of south korea was produced by capitalism 🤔

2020-03-06 12:38:38 UTC  

I just know that capitalism cannot be done by the state, literally

2020-03-06 12:38:48 UTC  

interesting

2020-03-06 12:38:51 UTC  

By definition it's impossible

2020-03-06 12:39:35 UTC  

Sorry to burst your uneducated butthurt bubble

2020-03-06 12:39:53 UTC  

its okay to have independent opinion

2020-03-06 12:40:01 UTC  

It's okay to have a wrong opinion like yours

2020-03-06 12:40:14 UTC  

like i said im happy with your independent opinion

2020-03-06 12:40:22 UTC  

That's why you dislike it so much yeah

2020-03-06 12:40:27 UTC  

Very happy

2020-03-06 12:40:33 UTC  

cool

2020-03-06 12:40:36 UTC  

awesome

2020-03-06 12:44:50 UTC  

capitalism

/ˈkapɪt(ə)lɪz(ə)m/

noun

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

"an era of free-market capitalism"

2020-03-06 12:46:14 UTC  

does capitalism not need state intervention? Like when it's time to regulate free markets? protect capital and it's interest? enforce standards?

2020-03-06 12:46:47 UTC  

or we can operate within the framework of the state and exclude it cos mUh cApITaLiSm

2020-03-06 12:47:53 UTC  

I’m not sure you understand what capitalism is if you believe that state intervention is a product of it

2020-03-06 12:48:44 UTC  

what happens when company A reneges on a contract with company B causing losses?

2020-03-06 12:49:09 UTC  

The more the state intervenes in the market (i.e. regulates it) the less free the market becomes, hence reducing capitalism, and increasing socialism.

2020-03-06 12:49:09 UTC  

Bad for them

2020-03-06 12:49:18 UTC  

Exactly

2020-03-06 12:50:14 UTC  

In a purely capitalist setting every individual or group of individuals would have complete self-ownership of everything they possess, including the right to protect their property.

2020-03-06 12:50:36 UTC  

what if my protection is bigger than yours and i wipe you out