Message from @Death in June

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2020-03-06 12:26:46 UTC  

What happened there

2020-03-06 12:26:54 UTC  

granted you can argue that maybe some state interventions on behalf of capitalists in chile contravened the idea of a free market

2020-03-06 12:27:00 UTC  

and obviously not everything was privatized

2020-03-06 12:27:15 UTC  

though chile came much closer to that idea than the vast majority of country's i think

2020-03-06 12:27:16 UTC  

pinochet

2020-03-06 12:28:17 UTC  

augusto pinochet took power over chile in a military coup and implemented super economically liberal reforms on the advice of the chicago boys

2020-03-06 12:28:37 UTC  

almost everything was privatized, regulations were slashed, welfare was slashed, and so on

2020-03-06 12:28:48 UTC  

was that after Allende?

2020-03-06 12:28:51 UTC  

yeah

2020-03-06 12:29:35 UTC  

over the 20 year span of pinochet's junta most chileans actively got poorer (in real terms, not poorer in the sense of just more inequality, although that happened to of course), caloric intake plummeted, homelessness skyrocketed, and pinochet eventually abdicated

2020-03-06 12:30:43 UTC  

they did the same thing to chile what they did to Haitians

2020-03-06 12:31:03 UTC  

export oriented economy for the freedom boys

2020-03-06 12:31:29 UTC  

some people might point to a place like singapore tho as a free market autocratic (which it isn't an autocracy necessarily though you could say it's a de facto one party state) success

2020-03-06 12:31:52 UTC  

though even putting aside that singapore is in a unique position as a city state it has pretty extreme government intervention in certain areas

2020-03-06 12:32:08 UTC  

yeah the government decides what markets can or not operate

2020-03-06 12:32:31 UTC  

over 30% of singapore's workforce is employed in the state sector (higher proportion than venezuela) and about 75% of land and housing is nationalized

2020-03-06 12:33:00 UTC  

what percentage of home owners?

2020-03-06 12:33:07 UTC  

i dunno

2020-03-06 12:33:56 UTC  

from wiki - More than 80% of Singapore's population live in HDB flats. HDB Flats in Singapore are sold on a 99-year lease agreement. The remainder is rental flats reserved for those who are unable to afford to purchase the cheapest forms of public housing despite financial support.

2020-03-06 12:34:27 UTC  

There are a number of eligibility conditions in order for a flat to be purchased. A buyer must be a Singaporean citizen, or permanent resident and be 21 years of age and have a family. Singles below 35-years of age, and non-citizens are not allowed to purchase new HDB flats. Other requirements concern household status, time requirements, income and other special requirements.[9] The apartment flats are typically sold on a 99-year leas

2020-03-06 12:34:38 UTC  

singapore just runs things in the vein of east asian dirigisme/state capitalism a la post-deng china or south korea under park chung hee but while exploiting its strength as a small city state around an important port which gives it a strong niche in acting as a hub for trade and foreign investment

2020-03-06 12:34:52 UTC  

like Israel in a way

2020-03-06 12:35:04 UTC  

existing under the sole guardianship of the US

2020-03-06 12:35:47 UTC  

UN: "Coronavirus lockdowns and quarantines must respect rights"

2020-03-06 12:35:50 UTC  

the US would give no fucks about it if it wasn't for their military

2020-03-06 12:37:16 UTC  

*"State capitalism"*

2020-03-06 12:37:25 UTC  

whatever you want to call it

2020-03-06 12:37:44 UTC  

Well, for one, if it contains the word "state", then I don't want to call it "capitalism"

2020-03-06 12:37:56 UTC  

authority is delegated to investors in firms who are still subordinate to state orders

2020-03-06 12:37:57 UTC  

how does one protect capital ?

2020-03-06 12:38:07 UTC  

is there some provider?

2020-03-06 12:38:15 UTC  

some *state?*

2020-03-06 12:38:17 UTC  

so you don't think the economic success of south korea was produced by capitalism 🤔

2020-03-06 12:38:38 UTC  

I just know that capitalism cannot be done by the state, literally

2020-03-06 12:38:48 UTC  

interesting

2020-03-06 12:38:51 UTC  

By definition it's impossible

2020-03-06 12:39:35 UTC  

Sorry to burst your uneducated butthurt bubble

2020-03-06 12:39:53 UTC  

its okay to have independent opinion

2020-03-06 12:40:01 UTC  

It's okay to have a wrong opinion like yours

2020-03-06 12:40:14 UTC  

like i said im happy with your independent opinion

2020-03-06 12:40:22 UTC  

That's why you dislike it so much yeah