@Coochie coo sure, to some extent

If people want to talk about fairness, they should show how they have been personally injured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8AJytIpCq4

@Undead Mockingbird they regularly do

Land acknowledgements are not the same issue

Good. Then they have a legal basis, or should have one, IMHO.

@Coochie coo yeah, I also reject those

@Coochie coo we won the land

That was the qualifier I predicated all above statements on.

ok so we agree here

But they still do have land, and they should be able to purchase new land like any other nation.

what would you think would be best to remedy this then?

I think that _that_ land should be sovereign

fire and fury!

Tbh reserves should convert to private ownership, rather than tribal ownership

and the people on it should be recognized but differentiated, no different from any other international treaty.

Also I dont think making them sovereign will actually fix the problem

The Cheifs own people are the ones who are getting fucked the most

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some bands are run well, a lot aren't

If they are accountable to _themselves_, then things will sort themselves out.

yeeeeeeah

Many chiefs would never allow this to happen either

11.5 more gb to go <:aHaaing:376442008023203840>

lol if shit goes downhill theyll jsut resort to blaming the white man

they get too much dollar

currently we impose a dysfunctional form of government on these bands

@Coochie coo just say no, lol

The money goes to individuals

as a stipend

The thing is, if these bands ultimately want to convert to common law, private land claims actually become pretty easy to make.

yes, that is one of a few things I agreed with Harper, to make negotiations, money, etc... more transparent -- but of course that was pushed out as the white mans way of running things

if they don't then it should be seen as their own political failure

just as it is seen with any other nation

The only thing that peeves me are situations in which people in first world nations, especially having been brought here from 3rd world nations, pretend to be appealing to fairness when they want some form of compensation for historic ills.

@Undead Mockingbird Well, if it's concrete, it is payable and closable, if it is ambiguous, that is where you run into problems.

The net benefit they have received, by comparison to people in most parts of Africa, are so insurmountable as to make any such claims ridiculous.

If it is conceivably possible to continue fabricating debts from records, then sure, you're fucked.

If they have a personal, legal claim - fine. Let's get this over with and settle it.

There are limitations on everything in the common law, and there should be limitations just the same in these claims.

You can gain title to other people's land by inhabiting it in an obvious and overt way