@snake originally the idea of Federating New Zealand and Australia, now the EU apparently

it can enforce it's laws on other countries?

What, no it can't

Australia and New Zealand should become one country. It’s the same ethnos, people from the British isles, same religion, Protestant. So religion and genetics are the same, and geographically they’re right next to each other, same climate etc.

@snake the original point was making nz australia not a federation.

NZ should be annexed by Australia though.

The EU has no actual power in the truest sense of the word over its member countries, it can only negotiate with them.

It has very minimal power, but nothing of substance, nothing that can't be ended anytime for any reason.

Yeah it does? it hands out fines to party states (states being countries) it also puts sanctions on states. It's enforced through fines

Fines are not displays of power. A company can also fine people.

If you have a contract, you can fine someone.

The state exists purely to advance the nations interests. New Zealand and Australia are the same nation, why should there be two separate independent governments, that could possibly fight each other, doing that job?

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if that was the case then why does any country not pay the fines??

Because they have their part of the contract to uphold.

It's a process of *negotiation*

so just like american states?

“Uh so if one goes down the shitter the other one is fine!” Retarded argument, they’re both very subverted, and you don’t give up your country men, have loyalty, and if one goes down so does the other. I mean I’m just guessing at a counter argument here

No EU member state can be held at gunpoint by the EU. Unlike the states in the US, to which the president can absolutely send military if he sees fit and has the senate behind him afaik.

Austria should be annexed by Germany, Ukraine and Belarus should be annexed by Russia.

I have a better idea, your anus should be annexed by a scorpion

Coming out with the 5th grade insults?

Well that's what happens when you present stupid ideas 🤷‍♀️

My ideas are brilliant

They're barely 1st grade, now go bring the trash out kiddo

an army is old school way of doing things. sanction's are the modern way.

Not an argument.

it's war by a different means

Sanctions are pussy shit, they do nothing if a country simply leans back and doesn't care.

tell china that? tell Venezuela that. tell cuba that tell every country that the usa has done that to that. see where they're know compared to where they could of been or where they were before that

the cold war was sanctions on the ussr

China is actually proof that sanctions only have an effect on countries that care

right now we are in a cold war with china

Yeah and the US is not gonna win that war

but they are. because the majority of people that buy Chinese products are american. the majority of countries that have production lines in china are americans

But that misses the main point. The EU has no actual power, it can only negotiate. If a negotiation fails, the EU can do nothing.
What really fails the EU countries is - guess what - the leadership of those individual countries. Not the EU.

their power is the other states that are in it. which is why they want an army

The EU won't have an army, the people won't allow that.

the heavy hitters do

germany france