Message from @Kingy200

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2020-03-03 01:45:00 UTC  

So now you want to sell a product to me and we come up with a way that we are both happy. But the government doesn't want it to happen. They can stop it by putting in laws that prevent it. That is force

2020-03-03 01:45:13 UTC  

The EU government can't do that.

2020-03-03 01:45:28 UTC  

but they do

2020-03-03 01:46:32 UTC  

No they don't. What they do is they make certain demands, and if the member states agree to meet them then everything's fine and dandy. But if they don't then the EU is powerless.
And then comes the advantage of negotiation that the EU has in some cases, that you see as force, which it isn't.

2020-03-03 01:46:40 UTC  

They did it to poland and italy aswell aswell as hungary

2020-03-03 01:47:02 UTC  

The EU can only make demands as long as the countries comply. If they refuse, the EU has no power over them.

2020-03-03 01:47:18 UTC  

That by definition means that the EU has no actual power.

2020-03-03 01:48:49 UTC  

there was an interview with peter szijjarto with the bbc but it seems like it has been taken down

2020-03-03 01:49:15 UTC  

What's actually going on is this: the EU puts forth legislation, the parliament votes on it, and it's that parliament that actually has the power. But that parliament is created by the EU member nations and their individual voters, not by the EU.

2020-03-03 01:49:55 UTC  

So all the true power comes from the nations, not the EU. And the nations derive their power from their respective systems, which in the case of the EU countries are different forms of democracy.

2020-03-03 01:50:12 UTC  

So no, the EU has literally no power. The countries have all the power.

2020-03-03 01:50:48 UTC  

The only reason you can't logically see what i'm describing is because from the start you haven't been able to even think that the eu has a means of force. That is bias. Which is why i said lets agree to disagree. i can describe all i want but if you aren't willingly to change for a moment the dogma view you have you never will

2020-03-03 01:51:11 UTC  

If something goes bad in the EU, it's because the leadership of the member states agreed to it. So the blame is on the leadership of the individual nations.

2020-03-03 01:52:00 UTC  

i can give afew examples to finish what i'm saying because now it seems i've become a parrot. The eu is backed by germany and france. they have force.

2020-03-03 01:52:09 UTC  

You're objectively wrong, there's no "agree to disagree". You can make wild claims, but if you have no way of proving them then they're just false assertions. I can easily disprove them by showing you how the EU government is set up.

2020-03-03 01:52:48 UTC  

There is also a global event that every country takes part in. it use to be ruled (the votes) by the usa but now it is china as they've bought the african countries

2020-03-03 01:52:57 UTC  

Can Germany and France just waltz into another EU country and force the direction of their policies and leaders?

2020-03-03 01:53:24 UTC  

i have proved it over and over. even showed you facts. You a dogma. thats not on me. its on you now mate

2020-03-03 01:53:29 UTC  

You have proven nothing.

2020-03-03 01:53:46 UTC  

Can Germany or France just take over another EU country leadership?

2020-03-03 01:54:23 UTC  

"youve proven nothing" isn't an agrument when i've given u facts. You also just assume that a country has to physically be in another for it to be force

2020-03-03 01:54:30 UTC  

Can Germany or France overrule the law of another EU country?

2020-03-03 01:54:44 UTC  

come on mate. your arguments are getting childish

2020-03-03 01:54:47 UTC  

You have given no facts, just opinions. False assertions.

2020-03-03 01:55:22 UTC  

if the eu votes a certain way then yes. The eu unelected offical's can veto and france and germany will back them up

2020-03-03 01:55:27 UTC  

> The eu is backed by germany and france. they have force.
Prove this .

2020-03-03 01:56:13 UTC  

The EU can't force any country's leadership's direction. Not a single one. Germany can't, France can't. They have no power over other EU member states. You have not proven anything, you're only claiming you have proven something when you haven't.

2020-03-03 01:56:29 UTC  

Unrelated matter. Ignored.

2020-03-03 01:56:36 UTC  

that's the global voting thing

2020-03-03 01:56:47 UTC  

Rejected. Try again with something that's related.

2020-03-03 01:57:24 UTC  

bro germany and france worship the eu. you've already said that mother hitler got rid of her countries flag..

2020-03-03 01:57:38 UTC  

bro, bro, the EU has no power over its member states.

2020-03-03 01:58:06 UTC  

yeah like i've said this is pointless. You live with a dogma

2020-03-03 01:58:18 UTC  

Yes it is pointless, you're too uneducated and too full of your personal bias.

2020-03-03 01:58:35 UTC  

I bet you don't even know how the EU government works.

2020-03-03 01:58:37 UTC  

LOL this is just funny now.

2020-03-03 01:58:56 UTC  

i give you evidence "no thats not true" where is your evidence mate!!

2020-03-03 01:58:58 UTC  

Yeah it's funny, you know very little about anything EU related.

2020-03-03 01:59:16 UTC  

know more than you apparently 🙂

2020-03-03 01:59:20 UTC  

You didn't give any evidence, not one bit.