Message from @snake
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Nah, you're making it sound like I'm too "individualistic" to recognize that mutual benefit is a thing.
Exactly, that’s what I’m saying, you should care because it benefits you. That this dichotomy is kinda retarded
I don't require any collectivist ideas for that.
Ok so I’m not a collectivist in your opinion then. I don’t actually know any one that is, probably Stalin
A lot of people are, typically welfare leeches and dictators can be counted to the collectivists.
Not really, why so?
Was Pinochet a collectivist?
Because they think the collective should work for their benefit instead of for their own benefit, and instead of themselves working for their own benefit. They think the collective owes them something, and they think that the collective is therefore everything that matters.
They think it's a machinery that serves them. Not actual humans with personal lives going on.
They think like they're in an ant colony or something.
BabaBooey is a great example.
SJW's are very often collectivists. Facists are collectivists. Just two sides of the same coin.
Fascists aren’t collectivists, sense they don’t necessarily believe that the group should be above the individual. Merely that they should work together. Nor do they think they’re owed something
Ok that's another hot take by you. Fascism not collectivist? That's gonna be very hard to prove for you.
Tell me where the doctrine of fascism states specifically that the group is above the individual
Fascism as an idea starts out with the premise that if the group ever were to split then the nation would fall. All individuals must be held tightly together by serving one united goal.
And that goal is the preservation of the nation itself.
It can't get much more collectivist than that.
Really? Fascism says that?
It's its basic premise. The image that is mostly used to depict fascism is a bundle of sticks tightly held together.
So fascism argues that people should form a group and work together? That’s not necessarily placing the group over the individual, merely saying that the nation should form a collective
Fascism goes way beyond telling individuals to work together. That would be fine
Fascism holds the idea that the nation is above all, as without the nation the people fall, and thus the people must become one with the nation (bundle of sticks)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Fascist_symbol.svg/500px-Fascist_symbol.svg.png
Where does it say they should become one lmao?
Because fascism says that the nation is above all.
Yeah but where rofl? And isn’t the nation merely a collective?
If the nation is "above all", then it follows collectivist doctrine.
Yeah but where does it say it’s above all?
Facism is litteral faggotry.
That's the collectivist doctrine.
Uh, that’s a secondary source, I wouldn’t trust the kikes that run the dictionary <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>
You used a similar source earlier, come on
"the practice or principle of giving a group priority over each individual in it."
"nation and often race above the individual"
Same thing.
Yeah I’m just joking at this point
Wait! Fascism is bad? Must be a Jewish plot!
mfw Israel is literally acting out parts of the fascist doctrine
Alr y’all two fight now, 🍿
You know now that I think about it most of the sciences are kind of Jewey. Pretty sure physics is also a plot by das Juden....
Gravity is a Jewish conspiracy, too
The Earth isn't a globe, it's actually donut-shaped.